Nicho Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 On 26/09/2023 at 19:48, Genie said: City have taken a short cut as they’ve done it with oil money, Man United are spending the money earned from success as a football club. I don’t think this is true, they were a big club anyway but consistently spent fortunes in the 90s for the best players, they had a great youth team come through yes but the success was built on spending money that then earned them success. Not the other way around. Villa were a genuine challenger then and had we spent the money we could and should have solidified us as one of the big boys for what then became the explosion of tv money. Unfortunately we missed that boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Nicho said: I don’t think this is true, they were a big club anyway but consistently spent fortunes in the 90s for the best players, they had a great youth team come through yes but the success was built on spending money that then earned them success. Not the other way around. Villa were a genuine challenger then and had we spent the money we could and should have solidified us as one of the big boys for what then became the explosion of tv money. Unfortunately we missed that boat. They started dominating (in this era) from 1991/92 with the players the brought through from the academy, which brings money which they spent on better players, more money comes in from sponsors and prizes, they extend the stadium several times, more money comes in, more success, more sponsors want to sponsor them. City and Chelsea didn’t do it that way around. It wasn’t built on success as a football club. United have their toilet roll sponsors, and pasta sponsors , shoe lace sponsors because of (now historical) success. Many of the Chelsea and City sponsors are dodgy deals with friends of friends of the owners. Edited September 29, 2023 by Genie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 Utter dog. Lucky to have any points this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, villan95 said: Utter dog. Lucky to have any points this season They’ll be ok when they play us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, rjw63 said: They’ll be ok when they play us 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 No one wants to put a shift in, eg Rashford does not want to track back ever, he just as good as goal hangs, then pulls a face when no one gives him the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 They just look a tired old team. Casemiro and Eriksen did good jobs in midfield last season but both in their 30s now so struggle to be athletic most weeks in a key area of the pitch. Ten Haag going back to Mount as a central midfielder is comical. Varane getting injury constantly and having to play Maguire and Evans. Looks like last season was Rashford's peak season and now he's reverted to type so they really don't have many scoring threats in final third. They'll finish outside the top 6 I think. We're better, Newcastle are better and Brighton will still beat most bottom half teams to keep the points tally ticking over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 42 minutes ago, rjw63 said: They’ll be ok when they play us Our record has been fine v them since promotion. No hang ups over playing them anymore compared to the 2000s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted September 30, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2023 Wolves (h), Spurs (a), Forest (h), Arsenal (a), Brighton (h), Burnley (a), Palace (h). Compared to our season so far, those last three games are identical to three we’ve played. Wolves home, kinda comparable to Everton home. Spurs and Arsenal away are comparable to Newcastle and Liverpool away. Probably can’t quite say the same about Forest home and Chelsea away. But then maybe they are an equivalent difficulty these days. Point being, the games played so far are of an equivalent difficulty. We’re six points clear of them. Is it possible we may actually finish ahead of them this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: Wolves (h), Spurs (a), Forest (h), Arsenal (a), Brighton (h), Burnley (a), Palace (h). Compared to our season so far, those last three games are identical to three we’ve played. Wolves home, kinda comparable to Everton home. Spurs and Arsenal away are comparable to Newcastle and Liverpool away. Probably can’t quite say the same about Forest home and Chelsea away. But then maybe they are an equivalent difficulty these days. Point being, the games played so far are of an equivalent difficulty. We’re six points clear of them. Is it possible we may actually finish ahead of them this season? Man. United have very few goals in them currently. As I said above Rashford was never really going to repeat last season's career best output of 30 goals. Just 1 in first 7 games currently. Hojilund still settling in but not like he was scoring at rate Oshimen was in Serie A. Other CF option is Martial....Add in the issues with their wide players and basically they're just relying on Fernandes to score. Watch them start going down constantly in the box and trying to get a penalty per game in the next few months as their main tactic.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 1 minute ago, VillaChris said:Watch them start going down constantly in the box and trying to get a penalty per game in the next few months as their main tactic.... I’ve been watching them do that for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) Crisitiano was correct , flags were there last season also the football they play is terrible no build up from the back very small time. And they genuinely thought they were back amongst the big time after winning the league cup the cup they deemed worthless years ago. Edited September 30, 2023 by gwi1890 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 Not sure if Tem Hag is or isnt the man to fix them. The rot set in a long long time ago and arguably started with the Satan himself. He signed or kept older players and a new manager always needed a rebuild add this to a poor footballing CEO and a diva fanbase who expected to win every season Perfect combination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, Zatman said: Not sure if Tem Hag is or isnt the man to fix them. The rot set in a long long time ago and arguably started with the Satan himself. He signed or kept older players and a new manager always needed a rebuild add this to a poor footballing CEO and a diva fanbase who expected to win every season Perfect combination He’s never really had them under any sort of control. It’s been crisis ever since his first game. Theres about 10,000 hours of footage of him scowling at the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted September 30, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2023 Embarassing and I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewieGriffin Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 Such a shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 Would love to see them finish bottom half, it would be like Christmas to see them relegated. It won’t happen, but it’s a lovely thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, It's Your Round said: Would love to see them finish bottom half, it would be like Christmas to see them relegated. It won’t happen, but it’s a lovely thought. Finishing outside of the top 10 would be brilliant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 They've never appointed a "footballing" person with a history of success at the top. They keep changing manager, forcing them to change players to suit the new managers needs. They're like Everton but with money. They'll never get it right until they get rid of all the playing deadwood, the obvious toxic culture, and put a system in place that goes right through the club, and then recruit managers who fit the system. We're doing that now, and luckily it's worked much quicker than anyone anticipated. Even Man City have worked this way when they starting nicking all the Spanish back room staff (admittedly the ffp breaches have gone a long way too). They're only as high as they are because of how much money they've spent. If they do get it right they'll be guaranteed top 4 every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachoFantastico Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 I was far from a fan, but it goes to show what an amazing job Alex Ferguson did running United. The past few years showed what an average club they are. I'm surprised Tem Hag has lasted this long to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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