Stevo985 Posted January 23, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 23, 2015 I didn't mean you should have heard of them. Just that when a famous person gets mentioned, there always seems to be a flurry of people posting saying "I've never heard of him!", like it's something to be proud of. It's nothing to be ashamed of either, it just seems weird to (apparently) brag about it. well genuinely I haven't heard of him , so I'm sort of puzzled as to what my response should be ... it's not like I'm pretending to have never heard of Elvis ( this is where I find out he's bigger than Elvis ?) from the descriptions of ginger clearing in the woods etc then I think I have seen him on the TV at some red carpet clip thing on the TV in in the background but I wouldn't have known his name .. I guess one way would be to ask you If you walked into a room and Tim Booth was there would you know who he was ? if you've no interest in music from that era , there is probably no reason to be aware of his existence ... No I wouldn't. But again that wasn't my point. My point was it seems to be cool on VT to not know who incredibly famous people are. If I didn't know who Tim Booth was then I wouldn't know. But I probably wouldn't quickly post and declare that I'd never heard of him unless the subject was about who had heard of him or not. This wasn't even really in relation to the Sheeran thing, just in general, as the Sheeran thing did turn into a discussion about who had or hadn't heard of him. I remember before there was a story about Jay-Z followed by posters all going "I've never even heard of this Jay-Z guy!", despite him being one of the most famous people on the planet. Just seems a strange response. If you haven't heard of him then you haven't heard of him. That's strange, but understandable. But why declare it? This is very much something for this thread, I'm aware of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 How many people in the X Factor queue would know him if asked? Just a different world.That isn't quite right, though, is it?You're comparing specialist knowledge (that may overflow in to something more general) with general knowledge (i.e. knowing about something/someone in an area that's likely to have a wider interest amongst all people than architecture, as per your example).If you substituted the teams in our local pub quiz for 'X factor queue' and asked them in what field Jeanneret-Gris was famous, I'd take a punt that most of the teams wouldn't know and only some may guess it. On the other hand, if you asked them in what field Le Corbusier was a famous name then very few teams wouldn't get it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Jay Z is a person? I thought it was like Cillit Bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Jay Z is a person? I thought it was like Cillit Bang. Yeah, he's married to Eric Knowles off of the Antiques Roadshow 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I didn't mean you should have heard of them. Just that when a famous person gets mentioned, there always seems to be a flurry of people posting saying "I've never heard of him!", like it's something to be proud of. It's nothing to be ashamed of either, it just seems weird to (apparently) brag about it. well genuinely I haven't heard of him , so I'm sort of puzzled as to what my response should be ... it's not like I'm pretending to have never heard of Elvis ( this is where I find out he's bigger than Elvis ?) from the descriptions of ginger clearing in the woods etc then I think I have seen him on the TV at some red carpet clip thing on the TV in in the background but I wouldn't have known his name .. I guess one way would be to ask you If you walked into a room and Tim Booth was there would you know who he was ? if you've no interest in music from that era , there is probably no reason to be aware of his existence ... No I wouldn't. But again that wasn't my point. My point was it seems to be cool on VT to not know who incredibly famous people are. If I didn't know who Tim Booth was then I wouldn't know. But I probably wouldn't quickly post and declare that I'd never heard of him unless the subject was about who had heard of him or not. This wasn't even really in relation to the Sheeran thing, just in general, as the Sheeran thing did turn into a discussion about who had or hadn't heard of him. I remember before there was a story about Jay-Z followed by posters all going "I've never even heard of this Jay-Z guy!", despite him being one of the most famous people on the planet. Just seems a strange response. If you haven't heard of him then you haven't heard of him. That's strange, but understandable. But why declare it? This is very much something for this thread, I'm aware of that for me Tim Booth is incredibly famous though , even my kids know who he is but it's sorta how a forum works isn't it , banal chit chat .... heck Thom Yorke has given us us more entertainment than Villa have in the past 5 years but (imo ) responding to a comment about how some musician can fill Wembley stadium by saying " I don't know who he is" , isn't the strangest response I've ever come across .. true we could have all just sat at home and said quietly to ourselves " who ?" and moved on to the next topic but on the plus side , look how many pages and posts it's generated to distract us all from our work 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 23, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 23, 2015 Well again i said I wasn't really referring to the Sheeran thing as that was a discussion about whether people had heard of him. It just reminded me of previous things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 How many people in the X Factor queue would know him if asked? Just a different world. That isn't quite right, though, is it? You're comparing specialist knowledge (that may overflow in to something more general) with general knowledge (i.e. knowing about something/someone in an area that's likely to have a wider interest amongst all people than architecture, as per your example). If you substituted the teams in our local pub quiz for 'X factor queue' and asked them in what field Jeanneret-Gris was famous, I'd take a punt that most of the teams wouldn't know and only some may guess it. On the other hand, if you asked them in what field Le Corbusier was a famous name then very few teams wouldn't get it. in an x-factor queue I'd warrant zero people would get it unless they had just been paid their pocket money in Swiss Francs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 23, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) There's being interested in something, there's not being interested but aware that something exists, and there's not having heard of something at all. Lot's of people seem to fall into the third category, which is what I find suprising where it concerns things that get regular coverage, or that people talk about. Ed Sheeran .. do you spend a lot of time talking to teenage girls ? No, but I do have a 9 year old daughter who listens to that sort of stuff with her friends. And that is why you have heard of all this stuff. I have two daughters in their twenties who have both moved out (and listen mostly to 70s music, anyway). No need to have any contact with popular culture at all, and I like it that way. I've certainly heard of Sheeran, I know what he looks and sounds like. But no way could I name a song by him. Jamie Foxx? Same as Chrisp - I'm vaguely aware he's a black American filmstar. Couldn't recognise him or name any films he's been in - until somebody mentioned Ray, which I've seen, but didn't take too much notice of who the lead was. It's not true that I only listen to 60s/70s music. It probably IS true however, that I only listen to 60s/70s (or earlier)-influenced music. And I watch a reasonable number of current films - but only mainstream dramas or 'arthouse' movies, not comedies, 'action' or superhero stuff. Modern media makes it easier than ever before to avoid pop culture. Edited January 23, 2015 by mjmooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 A great case in point is this latest band aid single, I had heard of a lot of them, you expect to have heard of them as its the pick of the top pop singers in the land, a few I didnt know, but I had heard of their bands, and then there were two youtube stars that I had to google, was still none the wiser. To some though they are as famous as bono. Its frame of reference in the end. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 There's being interested in something, there's not being interested but aware that something exists, and there's not having heard of something at all. Lot's of people seem to fall into the third category, which is what I find suprising where it concerns things that get regular coverage, or that people talk about. Ed Sheeran .. do you spend a lot of time talking to teenage girls ? No, but I do have a 9 year old daughter who listens to that sort of stuff with her friends. And that is why you have heard of all this stuff. I have two daughters in their twenties who have both moved out (and listen mostly to 70s music, anyway). No need to have any contact with popular culture at all, and I like it that way. I've certainly heard of Sheeran, I know what he looks and sounds like. But no way could I name a song by him. Jamie Foxx? Same as Chrisp - I'm vaguely aware he's a black American filmstar. Couldn't recognise him or name any films he's been in - until somebody mentioned Ray, which I've seen, but didn't take too much notice of who the lead was. It's not true that I only listen to 60s/70s music. It probably IS true however, that I only listen to 60s/70s-influenced music. And I watch a reasonable number of current films - but only mainstream dramas or 'arthouse' movies, not comedies, 'action' or superhero stuff. Modern media makes it easier than ever before to avoid pop culture. Your first sentence is exactly where I was coming from Foxx i would know , but I'm into my movies so I'd expect to know movie stars past and current .... which i guess is the point i've (and others) have been making Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) pah, goofed it really really really funny comment about sitting here trying to do my expenses but I goofed it Edited January 23, 2015 by chrisp65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 23, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) With me the filmstars thing is a bit different, nothing to do with generations. It took a while to dawn on me that when I watch a film, I completely suspend disbelief. As far as I'm concerned, the guy up there on the screen isn't "well known Hollywood actor Joe Soap", it IS the character they are playing. I don't CARE what the actor's name is, in fact I it's much better if I don't know. "Ray" was a good example. Obviously I knew it was an actor, but the only name I associated with him was Ray Charles. There are of course, many, many exceptions, ones who are instantly recognisable, and have probably have/had very long careers - your John Waynes, Dustin Hoffmans. Meryl Streeps, etc. But, you know, I'm not 100% sure that I would immediately identify Matt Damon, or Brad Pitt, or Mark Wahlberg, or Bradley Cooper. I know I've seen films with them in, but putting names to their familiar faces just doesn't seem to matter to me. I was the same as a kid, watching the old classics. I would see somebody on the screen and think of them as 'that guy with the pencil moustache' - but as to whether it was Ronald Coleman, Clark Gable or Douglas Fairbanks, I wouldn't know (or care). The women are even worse - unless they are very distinctive looking, like a Barbara Stanwyck or a Meryl Streep (and even Streep I sometimes get mixed up with Glen Close), one glamour puss looks much like another. Jessica Alba? Cameron Diaz? Charlize Theron? Must have seen 'em dozens of times, but put 'em in a pub quiz picture round and I'm stumped. Edited January 23, 2015 by mjmooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 On the subject of Ed Sheeran, I see Noel Gallagher was making a similar statement as somebody said on here a page or too back, about how terrible it is that Sheeran has sold out Wembley Stadium for three nights. Well, I'm no fan of the ginger hobbit at all, but I imagine one of his gigs would be infinitely more fun than an Oasis show, which all seemed to consist of Noel playing his guitar very, very carefully, while his gobshite brother stood with his hands behind his back singing songs with lots of words that rhymed with 'fly', 'high' and 'sky'.* *For the usual suspects, Oasis were a band from Manchester who were at the height of their popularity in the mid to late 90s. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Working on a project for KFC at present .. quite a high profile project in terms of what's involved and extremely bloody stressful Someone in the office kindly offered to bring me back some lunch when they were out and came back with KFC ... I'm not sure if they were being intentionally funny or not , she's not renowned for her sense of humour but I can't rule it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) On the subject of Ed Sheeran, I see Noel Gallagher was making a similar statement as somebody said on here a page or too back, about how terrible it is that Sheeran has sold out Wembley Stadium for three nights. Well, I'm no fan of the ginger hobbit at all, but I imagine one of his gigs would be infinitely more fun than an Oasis show, which all seemed to consist of Noel playing his guitar very, very carefully, while his gobshite brother stood with his hands behind his back singing songs with lots of words that rhymed with 'fly', 'high' and 'sky'.* *For the usual suspects, Oasis were a band from Manchester who were at the height of their popularity in the mid to late 90s. never heard of ..oh go on then , even I've heard of them ... I'll be honest when they were popular I wasn't a fan , I got more into them once I stopped hearing Wonderwall 30 times a day ( still hate that record) I was the same with Nirvana , didn't like them until I heard the Unplugged album on the radio which was probably after Cobain's death .. thinking about it , maybe I am the anti-cool after all Edited January 23, 2015 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Working on a project for KFC at present .. quite a high profile project in terms of what's involved and extremely bloody stressful Someone in the office kindly offered to bring me back some lunch when they were out and came back with KFC ... I'm not sure if they were being intentionally funny or not , she's not renowned for her sense of humour but I can't rule it out Sorry, KF who? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Working on a project for KFC at present .. quite a high profile project in terms of what's involved and extremely bloody stressful Someone in the office kindly offered to bring me back some lunch when they were out and came back with KFC ... I'm not sure if they were being intentionally funny or not , she's not renowned for her sense of humour but I can't rule it out Sorry, KF who? Ken Fried Tucky as my lad calls it Edit - actually he's 10 ,so its not as cute as it sounds Edited January 23, 2015 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I think I'm coming to the conclusion I'm deliberately awkward. But just to continue the theme......I've never had a KFC. I've built a few, and I've had one of the ones I built demolished again. But I've never eaten in one. But I have had Macdonalds a couple of times, I've had a burger there and about a year ago I had some sort of fishfinger in a doughnut (the bun was really really sweet), and I've had a Burger King bean burger back when I was a veggie. Just to redress the balance - I currently have about 1800/1900 points on my Costa reward card and the bloke in Greggs knows my first name. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ismail-villa Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 McFlurry is the only thing I ever have from McDonalds. Tastes amazing.Also, saw on the news the other day the chemicals used for McDonald's fries. Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted January 23, 2015 Administrator Share Posted January 23, 2015 McFlurry is the only thing I ever have from McDonalds. Tastes amazing. Also, saw on the news the other day the chemicals used for McDonald's fries. Jesus. You mean starch, salt, sugars, oils and stabilisers. Nothing surprising for processed food. Is it the word "chemical" which was the issue? Or did the article make something sound scary out of context? (I don't eat in McDonalds but I have heard of it.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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