sidcow Posted July 29, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2022 21 minutes ago, theboyangel said: Berminum - FFS learn how to pronounce our city’s name you illiterate BBC clearing in the woods… Usually people from what I like to pronounce as Lindeern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 I guess for this thread overachieve and overperform existing are right. My view is that there are goals and expectations. You exceed them, and then you have overachieved and overperformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 29, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Seat68 said: I guess for this thread overachieve and overperform existing are right. My view is that there are goals and expectations. You exceed them, and then you have overachieved and overperformed. Exactly. It's in reference to a baseline. Just as if you've got a budget of 500k and you spend 700k, you're "overspent" by 200k. By Bick's logic you haven't overspent. You've spent. Which is true, but gives you no comparison to any baseline. The two aren't mutually exclusive. The "over" or "under" refers to a baseline or an expectation 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 29, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Well I use it in football terms to refer to statistics. A striker who is overperforming is converting more chances than he should be according to his statistics. His xG might be 4 goals but he's actually scored 8. He's overperforming vs his stats. He is achieving more than is expected, he is not over performing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 29, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Exactly. It's in reference to a baseline. Just as if you've got a budget of 500k and you spend 700k, you're "overspent" by 200k. By Bick's logic you haven't overspent. You've spent. Which is true, but gives you no comparison to any baseline. The two aren't mutually exclusive. The "over" or "under" refers to a baseline or an expectation You've spent over your budget, you've spent more than you intended etc. It's just lazy use of language and isn't logical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted July 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 29, 2022 I am always overamused when Bicks finds a new bugbear and digs his heels in 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 What are people’s feelings on uberpedant? Writing to the mods and I want to get it right. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 29, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2022 45 minutes ago, bickster said: He is achieving more than is expected, he is not over performing That’s the definition of overperforming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 29, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2022 43 minutes ago, bickster said: You've spent over your budget, you've spent more than you intended etc. It's just lazy use of language and isn't logical So you can’t oversleep, or overextend, or overact, or overreact, or overburden, or oversupply, or overorder, or overeat, or overregulate, or overpopulate, or overprescribe, or oversimplify, or overmedicate, or overengineer, or overestimate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 29, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2022 51 minutes ago, bickster said: You've spent over your budget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 29, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: So you can’t oversleep, or overextend, or overact, or overreact, or overburden, or oversupply, or overorder, or overeat, or overregulate, or overpopulate, or overprescribe, or oversimplify, or overmedicate, or overengineer, or overestimate? Yes, you can. All those things. But I'm with Bicks on this. You can't achieve more than you achieve. What you can do is exceed expectations. Edited July 29, 2022 by mjmooney 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Yes, you can. All over those things. But I'm with Bicks on this. You can't achieve more than you achieve. What you can do is exceed expectations. I understand what you mean here... but then you also can't react more than you react. You can't supply more than you supply. You can't prescribe more than you prescribe and so on. Edited July 29, 2022 by bobzy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 29, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Yes, you can. All over those things. But I'm with Bicks on this. You can't achieve more than you achieve. What you can do is exceed expectations. You can't sleep more than you sleep. Or extend more than you extend. Or act more than you act, os spend more than you spend, or burden more than you burden etc etc The logic is exactly the same. Overachieve refers to expectations. "exceed expectations" is just a synonym for overachieve 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: You can't sleep more than you sleep. Or extend more than you extend. Or act more than you act, os spend more than you spend, or burden more than you burden etc etc The logic is exactly the same. Overachieve refers to expectations. "exceed expectations" is just a synonym for overachieve So bickster is correct, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Unless you think "oversleep" isn't a real word you've had a mare there, @bobzy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 29, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, bobzy said: So bickster is correct, no? No. I’m saying if you can apply that logic to achieving then you can apply it to all of those verbs for which adding “over” before it makes a perfectly acceptable word. Nobody is arguing that oversleep isn’t a word. But by bicks and Mike’s logic you can’t sleep more than you sleep so it shouldn’t be a word. So basically you can’t precede any verb with “over” and make a word. Despite all of these words being in the dictionary Edited July 29, 2022 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Unless you think "oversleep" isn't a real word you've had a mare there, @bobzy It’s not a **** real word in my world mate - I wish it was 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 29, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: No. I’m saying if you can apply that logic to achieving then you can apply it to all of those verbs for which adding “over” before it makes a perfectly acceptable word. Nobody is arguing that oversleep isn’t a word. But by bicks and Mike’s logic you can’t sleep more than you sleep so it shouldn’t be a word. So basically you can’t precede any verb with “over” and make a word. Despite all of these words being in the dictionary To "overperform" it must be in relation to something and the word for that is outperform 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 29, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2022 Man I'm never playing scrabble with any VT members. Could have some serious arguments. Not that I ever play scrabble anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 29, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 29, 2022 24 minutes ago, sidcow said: Man I'm never playing scrabble with any VT members. Could have some serious arguments. Not that I ever play scrabble anyway There's an official book for Scrabble And guess what... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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