TheDon Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Calendars with weeks that begin with MondayIf only. That's how it should be. Everybody knows the week begins on Monday, not Sunday. Sunday is part of the weekend, after all. But that depends on how you're defining the end. A straight line has two ends, if you were telling two people to have a tug of war you'd tell them each to pick up an end of the rope. So surely in the same way you can say the week, a linear period of time, has two ends? And coincidently the weekend is two days, so surely there's one of those days at each end of the week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 1, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2012 Calendars with weeks that begin with MondayIf only. That's how it should be. Everybody knows the week begins on Monday, not Sunday. Sunday is part of the weekend, after all. But that depends on how you're defining the end. A straight line has two ends, if you were telling two people to have a tug of war you'd tell them each to pick up an end of the rope. So surely in the same way you can say the week, a linear period of time, has two ends? And coincidently the weekend is two days, so surely there's one of those days at each end of the week?But a week doesn't have two ends, it has a beginning and an end. It begins on Monday and ends on Sunday. Then the next one begins. The "Sunday start" is a hangover from the days when the sabbath was the ONLY day off work. Although the Bible says that God rested on the seventh day. So if the week begins on Sunday, then the sabbath must be Saturday (which is how Jews - and Seventh Day Adventist Christians - practice it). None of which is particularly relevant to the secular calendar. We have a two day weekend (Saturday & Sunday), so the week should logically begin on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Calendars with weeks that begin with MondayIf only. That's how it should be. Everybody knows the week begins on Monday, not Sunday. Sunday is part of the weekend, after all. But that depends on how you're defining the end. A straight line has two ends, if you were telling two people to have a tug of war you'd tell them each to pick up an end of the rope. So surely in the same way you can say the week, a linear period of time, has two ends? And coincidently the weekend is two days, so surely there's one of those days at each end of the week?But a week doesn't have two ends, it has a beginning and an end. It begins on Monday and ends on Sunday. Then the next one begins. The "Sunday start" is a hangover from the days when the sabbath was the ONLY day off work. Although the Bible says that God rested on the seventh day. So if the week begins on Sunday, then the sabbath must be Saturday (which is how Jews - and Seventh Day Adventist Christians - practice it). None of which is particularly relevant to the secular calendar. We have a two day weekend (Saturday & Sunday), so the week should logically begin on Monday. But the beginning is also an end. A book as a beginning and an end, but when you buy a set of book ends, you don't buy a book beginning and a book end. They're both ends :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Discussions about when a week ends and begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 1, 2012 Moderator Share Posted January 1, 2012 A line only has two ends because you can "travel" in both directions along it, now unless time travel is possible a week only has one end ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted January 1, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2012 But if the week goes Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun You can't very well call Saturday the weekend, because it's not the end of the week! IINM, the Mon-Sun calendar layout is just a hack to try and align the [mainstream] Christian Sabbath with the 7th day. In this case, I suppose secular humanists should push for a Tue-Mon layout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 1, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2012 But if the week goes Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun You can't very well call Saturday the weekend, because it's not the end of the week!It's part of it. Why does the "weekend" have to mean just one day? You may as well say that 10.00 pm - 11.00 pm on Sunday isn't the weekend either, because there's another hour after it! Monday to Sunday is one calendar week, made up of: Part 1 - Monday to Friday (aka "the working week") Part 2 - Saturday to Sunday (aka "the weekend") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 This is a VT low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted January 1, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2012 But if the week goes Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun You can't very well call Saturday the weekend, because it's not the end of the week! It's part of it. Why does the "weekend" have to mean just one day? You may as well say that 10.00 pm - 11.00 pm on Sunday isn't the weekend either, because there's another hour after it! Monday to Sunday is one calendar week, made up of: Part 1 - Monday to Friday (aka "the working week") Part 2 - Saturday to Sunday (aka "the weekend") If we were talking about weekend hours, then yes, I'd say that the weekend hour is only from 11:00pm on whatever last day of the week is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 1, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2012 This is a VT low.Not while there's a whole thread on darts it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted January 1, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2012 Seriously, how the **** can darts be considered a sport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 1, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2012 Seriously, how the **** can darts be considered a sport? :nod: If it is, then so is dominos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Calendars with weeks that begin with Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 A line only has two ends because you can "travel" in both directions along it, now unless time travel is possible a week only has one end ;-) Are you categorically stating that time travel isn't possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted January 2, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2012 Seriously, how the **** can darts be considered a sport? :nod: If it is, then so is dominos. And golf. (I've long been of the view that the best definition of sport (in the non-Hemingway context) is physical competition where one can "play defense", that is to say, [legally] act in such a way as to impede your opponent... auto racing is borderline under this definition, but darts, golf, etc. are firmly on the "not sport" side of the line) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 2, 2012 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2012 A line only has two ends because you can "travel" in both directions along it, now unless time travel is possible a week only has one end ;-) Are you categorically stating that time travel isn't possible? Theoretically, yes of course it is, but for you and me or any other mere mortal right now it isn't and that is the situation we're in right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 But if the week goes Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun You can't very well call Saturday the weekend, because it's not the end of the week!It's part of it. Why does the "weekend" have to mean just one day? You may as well say that 10.00 pm - 11.00 pm on Sunday isn't the weekend either, because there's another hour after it! Monday to Sunday is one calendar week, made up of: Part 1 - Monday to Friday (aka "the working week") Part 2 - Saturday to Sunday (aka "the weekend") Language. Evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Darts is a sport...and an amazing one at that. Also, the week ends at 1.38pm on Thursdays. That's just basic science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Darts is not and never will be an amazing sport. Load of shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 2, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2012 Seriously, how the **** can darts be considered a sport? :nod: If it is, then so is dominos. And golf. (I've long been of the view that the best definition of sport (in the non-Hemingway context) is physical competition where one can "play defense", that is to say, [legally] act in such a way as to impede your opponent... auto racing is borderline under this definition, but darts, golf, etc. are firmly on the "not sport" side of the line) Would that not make most athletic events 'not sports'? I usually argue that a sport is any competitive event requiring physical ability, be that skill (which would include darts), or simply physical capacity (speed, strength, endurance). Whereas a game is something were people compete on a largely physical level playing and compe to win largely mentally and/or on luck. So chess, e-sports, aren't sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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