StefanAVFC Posted November 22, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, BOF said: I'm only going on the wording here "she visited a primary school in the Cotswolds to discuss ways in which Cinderella is sexist and then asked the children to come up with their own version. I can't watch the video in work. I guess it just pushed my wrong button That's very much a simplification of the video. She didn't sit them down and say 'IT'S SEXIST IT NEEDS TO CHANGE'. It was very much a respectful and open discussion that the children led. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 22, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) I don't think there's any conflict here. 1. The old stories should NEVER be censored or altered to suit current mores. They should still be read and enjoyed, as they were written. BUT... 2. Using them as a vehicle for discussing how situations and attitudes have changed between then and now (including suggestions as to how they might be written nowadays) is a perfectly sound idea. Probably essential, in fact. Edited November 22, 2016 by mjmooney 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, BOF said: Retrospectively changing the contents of old books is a very dangerous thing to be doing. Are you for real? I honestly can't tell if you're being serious. How many versions of **** Cinderella do you think there have been? EDIT: Julian Clary and Paul O'Grady are in a particularly offensive version at the London Palladium at the moment, I understand. How very dare. Edited November 22, 2016 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Making a cup of tea and forgetting the amount of time that has elapsed, then taking a big gulp of cold tea .....nothing worse .........except ..probably aids 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) Unless it's just my video where the children's responses are muted it is difficult to actually take much from that video. I find her questions very leading and not particularly open. I feel like she's trying to guide them towards her interpretation of the book's meaning or what she see's within the stories content. Again though, without hearing the children's responses it makes it difficult to see how successful she was. That being said it's a discussion that should be had with children that age. Edited November 22, 2016 by sexbelowsound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 22, 2016 Moderator Share Posted November 22, 2016 18 minutes ago, mjmooney said: I don't think there's any conflict here. You're probably right as we do seem to be talking slightly cross-purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I read a recipe for bread wrong and put table spoons of salt instead of teaspoons. **** me it's salty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 37 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: I read a recipe for bread wrong and put table spoons of salt instead of teaspoons. **** me it's salty. I once put sugar on my chips, due to a mix up. Well, I say a mix up, it was me picking up the wrong sachets as I was too busy talking. Horrible 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 22, 2016 Moderator Share Posted November 22, 2016 1 hour ago, sharkyvilla said: I read a recipe for bread wrong and put table spoons of salt instead of teaspoons. **** me it's salty. Sounds like a stroke of bad luck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 3 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Are you for real? I honestly can't tell if you're being serious. How many versions of **** Cinderella do you think there have been? EDIT: Julian Clary and Paul O'Grady are in a particularly offensive version at the London Palladium at the moment, I understand. How very dare. Then let Mrs do gooder discuss the Clary version and it's merits in a school then and leave the original alone. Cinderella is a fairy story anyone who takes it any more literal than that needs their head examining , same as someone who reads Harry Potter and thinks Ginger kids can have a girlfriend 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) 28 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Then let Mrs do gooder discuss the Clary version and it's merits in a school then and leave the original alone. Cinderella is a fairy story anyone who takes it any more literal than that needs their head examining , same as someone who reads Harry Potter and thinks Ginger kids can have a girlfriend The 'original' is Chinese. Even if you only go as far back as the Grimm brothers version, it contained a wishing tree, doves from heaven and the step-sisters cut their own toes off. The story has literally been adapted for more than 1000 years around the entire planet. The complaint about this is honestly so dumb it's breathtaking. Tell me, were you this worked up about Shrek? Edited November 22, 2016 by HanoiVillan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) 37 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: The 'original' is Chinese. Even if you only go as far back as the Grimm brothers version, it contained a wishing tree, doves from heaven and the step-sisters cut their own toes off. The story has literally been adapted for more than 1000 years around the entire planet. The complaint about this is honestly so dumb it's breathtaking. Tell me, were you this worked up about Shrek? I think only one of us is "worked up" about this and it ain't the guy from Surrey its also not originally from China but Greece surely everyone has heard the story of Rhodopis ? stories can evolve that's not the argument but to my knowledge the writers of Shrek didn't lecture small children about previous incarnations of the story Edited November 22, 2016 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Just now, tonyh29 said: I think only one of us is "worked up" about this and it ain't the guy from Surrey its also not originally from China but Greece surely everyone has heard the story of Rhodopis ? stories can evolve that's not the argument but to my knowledge the writers of Shrek didn't lecture small children about previous incarnations of the story Well, it is 'the argument' when you incorrectly called one version the 'original' when it isn't. However, I didn't know of Rhodopis, so thank you for something to read about! Your final point is just wrong. The version you called the 'original' of Cinderella was of course sanitised from more violent past versions by 'social reformers' and moral busybodies of their own times, not the least of whom is Walt Disney. Fairy tales in Europe during the Middle Ages were more often passed along by women than men - often elderly females looking after young children - and in some of the more matriarchal versions, Cinderella is far less passive. In at least one, the story ends with her murdering the stepmother. All of this reminds me of a recommendation for a book I thoroughly enjoyed as a child, which is Roald Dahl's 'Revolting Rhymes': Of course, those purists on the site who prefer to read their fairy stories in Middle German or Ancient Greek won't be impressed, but the adaptations are fun for kids. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 22, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2016 On 21/11/2016 at 13:17, PieFacE said: Kanye West. What an absolute moron How anyone can like him is beyond me, the biggest gayfish on the planet. It annoys me that people like him, even though it shouldn't, opinions and all that. He's a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 22, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2016 Audible. I recently wanted to re-read His Dark Materials, but have plenty of other stuff to read so decided I'd try the audiobooks. So I signed up to Audible. Free for the first month and £8 a month after that. Not bad, I thought. I'll get that trilogy out of the way then I can use it to listen to other books I've wanted to read over the years and haven't got round to. But no. I assumed it was a Netflix style arrangement. £8 a month and you can listen to whatever you want. Nope. ONE book a month. For £8. Maybe they've got an option where you pay an extra quid or two and you get loads? Nope. £15 a month for TWO books. Free for the first month so I listened to Northern Lights. Then thought I may as well just buy the other two audiobooks and get them out of the way and cancel my subscription. They're £16 each! Why are audiobooks so expensive?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 As older viewers will know I have a bit of previous when it comes to supermarkets and reduced items but today I saw something utterly unbelievable there were about 12 women waiting around near the end of an aisle , at first I thought someone had fainted and they were doing that sorta concerned hope they are ok thing ... and then as I was watching a Tesco worker brought out a large trolley of "reduced " items there was mayhem , all 12 of them pounced on her grabbed everything without looking and then "fought "with each other snatching things out of each other's basket / trollies whilst shrieking at each other before running off .. was probably all over in about 10 seconds i stood there open mouthed along with a few fellow shoppers who had also wondered what the crowd was gathering for never seen anything like it in all my life , I've seen famine starved people act with more dignity and decorum a few aisles later i did see one of the women's unguarded trolley full of yellow ticketed reduce items and my mischievous side did want to unload a few items and put them back on the shelf , but I also feared for my life had this woman caught me , so walked on by 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: He's a genius. **** me. Where have you been hiding, Steveo? p.s. Stop it. He isn't. He's a clearing in the woods. Edited November 23, 2016 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post maqroll Posted November 23, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2016 James Corden. Please take him back. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 4 hours ago, tonyh29 said: As older viewers will know I have a bit of previous when it comes to supermarkets and reduced items but today I saw something utterly unbelievable there were about 12 women waiting around near the end of an aisle , at first I thought someone had fainted and they were doing that sorta concerned hope they are ok thing ... and then as I was watching a Tesco worker brought out a large trolley of "reduced " items there was mayhem , all 12 of them pounced on her grabbed everything without looking and then "fought "with each other snatching things out of each other's basket / trollies whilst shrieking at each other before running off .. was probably all over in about 10 seconds i stood there open mouthed along with a few fellow shoppers who had also wondered what the crowd was gathering for never seen anything like it in all my life , I've seen famine starved people act with more dignity and decorum a few aisles later i did see one of the women's unguarded trolley full of yellow ticketed reduce items and my mischievous side did want to unload a few items and put them back on the shelf , but I also feared for my life had this woman caught me , so walked on by Shopping triggers some sort of bestial instinct in women. They were the gatherers for thousands of years, and must have faced some very stiff competition with those Cro-Magnon bitches. So much of human endeavor has never really progressed too far beyond jungles and caves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 1 hour ago, maqroll said: James Corden. Please take him back. No he is yours now, you have given him this weird rollercoaster inflection in his voice too, we were done with the man a while back 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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