Rugeley Villa Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 3 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: Lol, i didn't mean that, but it's an interesting point. If i were to choose a neighbour, no offence ruge, but it wouldn't be you. You're a basket case! no offence taken mate honestly though im pretty normal and you probably would not even notice living next door to me apart from raised voices every now and again which is normal. sorry if i came across a bit arsy but thought you were basically saying with my past ive got no room to talk. anyway still lovers aren't we 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 lolz sorry lapal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 3 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: im pretty normal and you probably would not even notice living next door to me apart from raised voices every now and again, and the new sofas being delivered to replace the piss stained old ones, and new fridges replacing the jizz stained old ones, and the constant noise of a hoover, which is normal. Fixed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 6 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: Why should we stop letting people in? What gives you the right to say who can and cannot come to this piece of earth in the sea? Why should anyone be turned away? Why do you think, with your history, you are above the people who happen to be born in another country? Not loaded questions, genuinely interested buddy. imo the country cant keep letting people in because we are a small country with an already big population and there has to be a cut off point, we cant just keep letting people in and with all the security issues now there is no better time to be careful. thing is mate i dont put myself above anyone, i am what i am and i dont pretend to be anything else. what do you mean with my history? and whats my history got to do with it anyway. really dont know what your getting at if im honest. I mean your history as a person "lucky" enough to be born here. You won the birth lottery, that's it. Nice save 😜 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 5 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: I do think we need to stop immigration purely for security reasons and the fact that we cant keep letting people in. the worrying thing is that we already have sleeper cells in our country so that alone will not stop attacks. I'm currently trying to bring my Canadian fiancee to the UK, but perhaps you'd prefer it if we had to **** off somewhere else. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 5 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: I do think we need to stop immigration purely for security reasons and the fact that we cant keep letting people in. the worrying thing is that we already have sleeper cells in our country so that alone will not stop attacks. I'm currently trying to bring my Canadian fiancee to the UK, but perhaps you'd prefer it if we had to **** off somewhere else. You know fine well he doesn't mean that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 1 minute ago, troon_villan said: You know fine well he doesn't mean that. No, actually, I don't know that. Because the words 'stop all immigration' (which is what I hear and see, all throughout these comment threads) don't say 'except for X,Y and Z'. And, as you ought to know fine well, the government can't just come up with a rule saying immigration is fine except for Muslims, or you can get a visa for a westerner but no one else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Triumphantly installed a new cat flap yesterday, cat wont use it, prefers instead to wail loudly to be let out. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 9 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: No, actually, I don't know that. Because the words 'stop all immigration' (which is what I hear and see, all throughout these comment threads) don't say 'except for X,Y and Z'. And, as you ought to know fine well, the government can't just come up with a rule saying immigration is fine except for Muslims, or you can get a visa for a westerner but no one else. The people saying 'ban all immigration' don't tend to be the sort to think ahead as to how that would actually be adopted as government policy. I'm pretty sure that the subtext is "but not for white people". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 16 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: I do think we need to stop immigration purely for security reasons and the fact that we cant keep letting people in. the worrying thing is that we already have sleeper cells in our country so that alone will not stop attacks. I don't think that goes far enough ruge. Firstly we must close all borders, especially to anyone looking or sounding a bit muslimy. But many are already here. So I'd also advise rounding up all Muslims, and Muslim sympathisers, and putting them all into some form of grouped camp. A concentration of people, if you will. It's both for 'our' good, and 'their' good. It's the only way. Then after a while, send them all 'home'. It r really is the only answer. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 17 hours ago, Wainy316 said: Quite excited to see I got 3 numbers and a lucky star on the euromillions. Then I saw I only won £10.80! How are you supposed to win on this bloody thing? Ideally you need 5 numbers to win anything decent. That gives you about £40k, 4 numbers and 2 lucky stars gives about £3k. It's really bloody hard to get a decent win on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 11 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: I'm currently trying to bring my Canadian fiancee to the UK, but perhaps you'd prefer it if we had to **** off somewhere else. well aslong as she does not pose a terrorist threat i think id be happy enough. immigration from certain parts of the world we have to be more careful its as simple as that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 9 minutes ago, Jon said: I don't think that goes far enough ruge. Firstly we must close all borders, especially to anyone looking or sounding a bit muslimy. But many are already here. So I'd also advise rounding up all Muslims, and Muslim sympathisers, and putting them all into some form of grouped camp. A concentration of people, if you will. It's both for 'our' good, and 'their' good. It's the only way. Then after a while, send them all 'home'. It r really is the only answer. nah ive changed my mind,let everyone in and lets see what happens as that will be much more fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted November 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2015 We can't keep our current immigration policy, it's absurd, barely a week goes by without a Muslim blowing me up. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted November 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2015 45 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: well aslong as she does not pose a terrorist threat i think id be happy enough. immigration from certain parts of the world we have to be more careful its as simple as that. Oh well, that's jolly magnanimous of you mate. To be clear though, what you actually wrote was stop all immigration because the country's full. So you might want to consider either changing what you write, or what you think, because currently they appear to be two completely different things. On a more general note, I hate conversations like these, and if it seems like I'm responding angrily to you, it's because I am angry. They occur in the pub with depressing frequency. They used to be had with acquaintances with obvious racist sympathies (people who also complimented the BNP) but nowadays I end up having them with people who are closer and closer to the centre of the political spectrum, often people who are actually even aware of my situation, and have met my partner, and they always go the same way: Loudmouth: We need to stop all immigration! It should literally be zero! The country is full, and immigrants are criminals and terrorists! Me: Obviously, that's a terrible idea which I can't support. Frankly, I find it pretty offensive you'd say that to me when I'm getting married to ________ and you know we want to live in this country. Also, you've met her, and you know she isn't a criminal or a terrorist. Loudmouth: Oh, but of course I don't mean ______! How could you think I mean that? You know what I mean. Me: Firstly, what you mean and what you say seem to be completely different things. Secondly, am I supposed to just ignore the heavy implication that you just don't want any more brown people in the country? ******************************************************** It turns out running a complex democracy is difficult. Government is actually quite hard. They can't write laws which are then interpreted according to what everybody just 'knows full well' is the actual idea behind them. People might not have white westerners or people marrying long-term partners in mind when they say 'stop all immigration' but those words have a meaning, one that is not particularly hard to discern, and if the government pass a law saying 'literally zero immigration as of now', I can't then take a petition to the government asking them to consider my case, and expect them to say 'oh yes of course, you know full well we didn't mean her'. On the last page, Davkaus said that people making pronouncements like these simply haven't got as far as thinking through any of the consequences of what they say. Which is (almost always) true. But to be honest, I don't have any sympathy for it, nor do I feel particularly bad about taking it personally when the shit people are demanding would affect me personally. To be honest, splitting up families and forcing people (including people you know, people in your community, people who also attend VP) to make a choice between their country and their family isn't a particularly complex second-order consequence of stopping all immigration, so if people can't even think that far ahead then they should really consider their aptitude for political decision-making. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: well aslong as she does not pose a terrorist threat i think id be happy enough. immigration from certain parts of the world we have to be more careful its as simple as that. Edit Edited November 15, 2015 by foreveryoung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) 5 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: 10k refugees coming over from a war torn country every day, risking there lives, maybe a little more of an issue. Because clearly, that's what's happening. Absurd hyperbole. Hanoi's point was both fair and well made. Maybe read his longer post just above because he's very clear in why comments such as 'stop all immigration' offend him. Edited November 15, 2015 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) 9 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Because clearly, that's what's happening. Absurd hyperbole. So what is exactly happening, cause I have been completely misled if they are coming over one by one passports in hand! An Hano's point was far from fair. Its the typical come back comment. There's is a complete difference in trying to get your fiancee in the country to letting thousands of refugees in the country everyday. Edited November 15, 2015 by foreveryoung Quoting playing up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 1 minute ago, foreveryoung said: So what is exactly happening, cause I have been completely misled if they are coming over one by one passports in hand! 10k? Every day? Source? Also, you clearly haven't read why Hanoi is offended by the 'stop all immigration' comments. It isn't just because of his own situation (and that would be justification enough) but because of the inference that comments such as 'stop all immigration' actually mean 'stop all immigration of brown looking people'. It's a stupid and racist thought processs to have (and before anyone pulls me up on it, I'm not calling anybody in particular racist. Just bemoaning the inference stated by comments not thought through enough) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 7 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: So what is exactly happening, cause I have been completely misled if they are coming over one by one passports in hand! An Hano's point was far from fair. Its the typical come back comment. There's is a complete difference in trying to get your fiancee in the country to letting thousands of refugees in the country everyday. You are far biased anyway. Yes, his 511 word reply is just a 'typical come back comment'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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