brommy Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Hmmm, sort of wish we'd gone in for Cornelius and maybe this shows us that the big money really isn't there, if he was as easily gettable as he obviously is then why would we go for Helenius ahead of him? could imagine the uproar on here if we paid 7.5 million for a guy in Danish league. He had 1 season and only got a couple of goals more than Helenius who cost 6 million less Exactly. I leave the tough decisions to someone who is paid well to make them, knows more about their overall budget than I do and spends their working hours investigating targets in more detail than my youtube highlights viewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaB-Aalborg Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 A small interview from tipsbladet.dk with our new Director of Sports, Allan Gaarde. He is replacing our current Director through approx 20 years, Lynge Jacobsen. He started 2 weeks of tutoring on 14th June. Google translated, hope you can read it As Lynge Jakobsen and Allan Gaarde Tuesday 18 June flew to England to negotiate a Nicklas Helenius sale, the two AaB leaders thought that they figuratively would get a striker with back home. earlier this month AaB sold Nicklas Helenius to Aston Villa and jumped on the summer Superliga trend in relation to selling players to the Premier League. But the club's new sporting director Allan Gaarde reckoned not with that sales would fall into place when he and his teacher, Lynge Jakobsen sat on the plane to Birmingham 18 June. - When we sat on the plane at 6:25 on Tuesday, we had no aspirations. We thought the most that we should try it, be the experience richer, and then see what would happen. We were not sure that there would be a positive outcome. It would be foolish not to spend the time and money to make the attempt. It was the beginning of the trip, said Allan Gaarde for Tipsbladet. - We were not sure how much they knew about Nicklas. How much would it and how much it was a wild shot. There are many suckers in this world. But when you sit face to face, so you can feel on people whether they are serious. And we could feel immediately that they had researched seriously at him. It was a player they saw a future in and wanted to sign. It gave a different climate for negotiations, and so we could try something. One of the main things I have learned on the trip is that it is bullshit to undercut or outbid, for example, that we required eight million pounds, it's incredible stupid. Rather, without being naive and stupid, rather start a realistic place. It gives a better debate. Gaarde is glad sale but denies that it was deliberately timed for him to get a good start. - It was also a calculation of how much Nicklas would give us playing another season. He would get upset and demotivated, if there had been an offer from a club he wildly wanted to. If we pull it out of the equation, could he give us a good position in the league? Could he kick us in the Europa League group stage? You do not know. There are a lot of uncertainties, which could have given us extra money. But it was wishful thinking, this from Aston Villa was cash here and now, and the ones we need. It was a super trade and a good signal to our talent work. Over in the amateur division they are proud. There have been no other talk in Svenstrup in recent days that Helenius started out there. It is the fourth in a few years that have passed from our talent department for big clubs. For Premier League, Juventus, Ajax and Groningen. It's a great signal that we do not stand in the way of these young players. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazilla Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 A small interview from tipsbladet.dk with our new Director of Sports, Allan Gaarde. He is replacing our current Director through approx 20 years, Lynge Jacobsen. He started 2 weeks of tutoring on 14th June. Google translated, hope you can read it As Lynge Jakobsen and Allan Gaarde Tuesday 18 June flew to England to negotiate a Nicklas Helenius sale, the two AaB leaders thought that they figuratively would get a striker with back home. earlier this month AaB sold Nicklas Helenius to Aston Villa and jumped on the summer Superliga trend in relation to selling players to the Premier League. But the club's new sporting director Allan Gaarde reckoned not with that sales would fall into place when he and his teacher, Lynge Jakobsen sat on the plane to Birmingham 18 June. - When we sat on the plane at 6:25 on Tuesday, we had no aspirations. We thought the most that we should try it, be the experience richer, and then see what would happen. We were not sure that there would be a positive outcome. It would be foolish not to spend the time and money to make the attempt. It was the beginning of the trip, said Allan Gaarde for Tipsbladet. - We were not sure how much they knew about Nicklas. How much would it and how much it was a wild shot. There are many suckers in this world. But when you sit face to face, so you can feel on people whether they are serious. And we could feel immediately that they had researched seriously at him. It was a player they saw a future in and wanted to sign. It gave a different climate for negotiations, and so we could try something. One of the main things I have learned on the trip is that it is bullshit to undercut or outbid, for example, that we required eight million pounds, it's incredible stupid. Rather, without being naive and stupid, rather start a realistic place. It gives a better debate. Gaarde is glad sale but denies that it was deliberately timed for him to get a good start. - It was also a calculation of how much Nicklas would give us playing another season. He would get upset and demotivated, if there had been an offer from a club he wildly wanted to. If we pull it out of the equation, could he give us a good position in the league? Could he kick us in the Europa League group stage? You do not know. There are a lot of uncertainties, which could have given us extra money. But it was wishful thinking, this from Aston Villa was cash here and now, and the ones we need. It was a super trade and a good signal to our talent work. Over in the amateur division they are proud. There have been no other talk in Svenstrup in recent days that Helenius started out there. It is the fourth in a few years that have passed from our talent department for big clubs. For Premier League, Juventus, Ajax and Groningen. It's a great signal that we do not stand in the way of these young players. Great article. Thanks Aab, but it shows again a thoroughness with our scouting system under Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post P3nnyw1se Posted June 29, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2013 Guys you have to remember a few details when dreaming about Cornelius FCK is the PSG of Denmark, by far the richest and biggest Club in all of ScandinaviaAab is near bankrupt Cornelius plays with the best and most expensive players in the LeagueAab has 0 non Danish players, and has managed to set a League record in age of starting 11s I believe at one point this year it was 21.5, most of all these players are homegrown.Cornelius has scored 18 goals and made 1 assists = 19Helenius has scored 16 goals and made 7 assists. = 23, making him the player in the League involved in most goals. "2 years in a row!!" Helenius has proved himself able to not only score but be League topscorer(when counting assists) 2 years in a row with a team consisting primarily of 18-year-old talents cause Aab can't afford to buy players, and Aab still managed to get a Fifth spot and going to Europa because we do produce exceptionel talents We sold a 17-year-old kid to Ajax Amsterdam last year, and an 18-year-old defender to Juventus, last week we just pulled 4x 18-year-olds to the first squadCornelius has played with an established Champions League team, one season!.. I'm just saying the 1.5mill vs. 7.5mill, in my opinion should probably be more like 3mill vs. 5mill 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandaq Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 I would have rather taken Helenius than Cornelius, but we will see how it goes next year. Helenius certainly has talent so it will be interesting to see how he will tackle on PL. Cornelius to me is a bigger gamble imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biskitt Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 I suppose the question is, would people rather have Cornelius or Helenius, Okore and Bacuna ? Pretty much the same net spend overall, I know which option I'd rather have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3nnyw1se Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 (edited) A problem I also see, is the fact that with that pricetag, Cornelius is bought to be a starter. a 20-year-old kid coming from a much inferior League.. thats a gamble having him as a starter. Helenius will have some time to grow into his role.. He won't need to deliver from the first game, but can get the 10/15minutes now and then as he should the first 2 months. How any player should be established. and with Helenius' pricetag.. I Mean its practically impossible to lose Money on him.. even if he doesn't score a single goal in 2 years.. he will still only be 24 with Premier League experience.. getting 1.5mill for him won't be a problem. Edited June 29, 2013 by P3nnyw1se 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 and with Helenius' pricetag.. I Mean its practically impossible to lose Money on him.. even if he doesn't score a single goal in 2 years.. he will still only be 24 with Premier League experience.. getting 1.5mill for him won't be a problem. Delfouneso is younger and has prem experience and I don't see anyone paying that much for him so it's not necessarily that easy to get money back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3nnyw1se Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 (edited) well that might be true, but Helenius has had many Clubs after him.. sporting Lissabon, Ajax to mention two. Lissabon made an offer Helenius turned Down. even if he does fail in Villa, you can't take away his 2 seasons in Aalborg as a topscorer or the fact that he has been on the national team. that alone would make him attractive to any Danish Club. we see that a few times in the Danish League, some great player leaves for a big Club, doesn't get to play a lot and then returns to the highest bidder in the Danish League. Edited June 29, 2013 by P3nnyw1se Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandaq Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 That is true actually, same thing would happen here in Norway. But they don`t pay much though, and I doubt it`s the same in Denmark except fck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffy Biro Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Also think its a case of cardiff being new to the league and everyone knowing they have money, they arent experienced at negotiations at this level and by the sounds of it (and the evidence) we are getting much better at it. We cant lose on the guy he cost pennies and looks a talent, theres always a risk of course with 6 signings and more to come of course a few of them wont deliver or live up to the hype but from what ive seen hes going to be a handful for even the most experienced defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillz Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/42/c6/0,,10265~12043842,00.jpg "Niklas Helenius loving his first day at Bodymoor. Pictures by Neville Williams/Aston Villa/Getty Images." Not sure the caption quite fits the picture there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaB-Aalborg Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/42/c6/0,,10265~12043842,00.jpg "Niklas Helenius loving his first day at Bodymoor. Pictures by Neville Williams/Aston Villa/Getty Images." Not sure the caption quite fits the picture there.... He does'nt normally show that many emotions. Almost only scoring and winning can put a smile on his face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarpie Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/42/c6/0,,10265~12043842,00.jpg "Niklas Helenius loving his first day at Bodymoor. Pictures by Neville Williams/Aston Villa/Getty Images." Not sure the caption quite fits the picture there.... He does'nt normally show that many emotions. Almost only scoring and winning can put a smile on his face Sounds like a proper scandinavian. Edited July 4, 2013 by Jarpie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted July 4, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4, 2013 He needs to bulk up a bit... his legs are sooooooooo skinny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/42/c6/0,,10265~12043842,00.jpg "Niklas Helenius loving his first day at Bodymoor. Pictures by Neville Williams/Aston Villa/Getty Images." Not sure the caption quite fits the picture there.... He does'nt normally show that many emotions. Almost only scoring and winning can put a smile on his face Sounds like a proper scandinavian. As long as he is not another Nicklas Bendter i'll be happy enough. He's Arsenals Stephen Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillz Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/42/c6/0,,10265~12043842,00.jpg "Niklas Helenius loving his first day at Bodymoor. Pictures by Neville Williams/Aston Villa/Getty Images." Not sure the caption quite fits the picture there.... He does'nt normally show that many emotions. Almost only scoring and winning can put a smile on his face I see what you mean, he seems genuinely struggling to 'force a smile' haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted July 4, 2013 Moderator Share Posted July 4, 2013 http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/42/c6/0,,10265~12043842,00.jpg "Niklas Helenius loving his first day at Bodymoor. Pictures by Neville Williams/Aston Villa/Getty Images." Not sure the caption quite fits the picture there.... He does'nt normally show that many emotions. Almost only scoring and winning can put a smile on his face I see what you mean, he seems genuinely struggling to 'force a smile' haha Why is Richard Bacon in a Villa shirt? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 As long as he is not another Nicklas Bendter i'll be happy enough. He's Arsenals Stephen Ireland. Hasn't Bendtner left Arsenal? The fat word removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/42/c6/0,,10265~12043842,00.jpg "Niklas Helenius loving his first day at Bodymoor. Pictures by Neville Williams/Aston Villa/Getty Images." Not sure the caption quite fits the picture there.... He does'nt normally show that many emotions. Almost only scoring and winning can put a smile on his face I see what you mean, he seems genuinely struggling to 'force a smile' haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btn4KwHO0WA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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