Genie Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: You think we could jump in and take advantage of that or are you saying it'll push them further away? I don’t think we can because we don’t have anyone wanting to pump that sort of money in. Previously City’s sponsorship deal would only be limited by what they could get away with, what was deemed to be the going rate. If MU for example we’re getting £200m from Chevrolet then they could possibly argue Etihad offering £250m was the right market value for such a deal. With City, Newcastle PSG etc all state owned they can all agree £500m deal with their “sponsors” and point at each other to say it matches theirs so it’s not a piss take. It’s the going rate. Edited June 25, 2022 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted June 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, The_Steve said: The reality of the league is quite simple: even if a club like Arsenal has a poor season by their standards (e.g. not making Europe), they stand to make 4-5 times the profit we and many other clubs do. All we can do is invest and remain competitive. I do think it will balance out slowly, but the deck is greatly stacked. It's not feasible for any club to just throw money and hope it works out. I agree with all of this post except the 'it will balance out slowly' part. I see no reason to predict it will ever balance out at all. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I agree with all of this post except the 'it will balance out slowly' part. I see no reason to predict it will ever balance out at all. Oh yeah, I was trying to find a slither of hope. They should have let them have their stupid ESL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 8 hours ago, villa4europe said: To be fair Milan did rival them for Botman, Milan should have signed Botman, he was right there for them and then Milan didn't push it over the line We'll probably never find out why Milan didn't sign him we'll just get a load of guff about world class Botman chose Newcastle over them, in reality they were his 2nd choice, he's only going there because Milan didn't sign on the dotted line He wouldnt have started for Milan and they didn't want to splash 30/40 million on a backup defender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, The_Steve said: They should have let them have their stupid ESL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 5 hours ago, tomav84 said: they moved on to botman because we just bought their top target. i'm not too concerned personally. They wanted Botman since the takeover was completed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Just now, Zatman said: He wouldnt have started for Milan and they didn't want to splash 30/40 million on a backup defender Are we saying he wouldn't have started for Milan, but would start for Man City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted June 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Oh yeah, I was trying to find a slither of hope. They should have let them have their stupid ESL. this. never understood the protests from the non-super league teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Just now, HanoiVillan said: Are we saying he wouldn't have started for Milan, but would start for Man City? I didn't say he would start for City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Just now, Zatman said: I didn't say he would start for City Yes, sorry, I know it wasn't you! I'm just saying that your stating that he wouldn't have started for Milan has made me pretty skeptical that he'd be walking into City's first XI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, tomav84 said: this. never understood the protests from the non-super league teams I suppose the flipside is that if we got left with Newcastle they'd have so much more money than every other side that the Premier League would end up like the Bundesliga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Yes, sorry, I know it wasn't you! I'm just saying that your stating that he wouldn't have started for Milan has made me pretty skeptical that he'd be walking into City's first XI. Tomori and Kalulu were brilliant this season I don't see Botman breaking through. They also have Kjaer to come back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted June 25, 2022 Moderator Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 hours ago, The_Steve said: The realistic problem both of us have is the gap between us and the Top 8. Eight? Go on..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted June 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2022 16 hours ago, tomav84 said: this. never understood the protests from the non-super league teams It was the fact that they weren't going to leave their domestic leagues, they were just going to create a closed league for just them that pumps a load more money in. They'd have ended up in the same league spots they are now but with their backup players instead. If they were just going and leaving the league it might have been worth it for the other teams, except that the TV money would likely have been majorly slashed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted June 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Rds1983 said: It was the fact that they weren't going to leave their domestic leagues, they were just going to create a closed league for just them that pumps a load more money in. They'd have ended up in the same league spots they are now but with their backup players instead. If they were just going and leaving the league it might have been worth it for the other teams, except that the TV money would likely have been majorly slashed. i thought that was the whole thing. that they would abandon their domestic leagues. maybe i'm misremembering it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, tomav84 said: i thought that was the whole thing. that they would abandon their domestic leagues. maybe i'm misremembering it Nah it was replacing the Champions League. Once that league absorbed all the TV money, the PL (and all other domestic leagues) would become secondary competitions. They all should have been kicked out. It will happen sooner than people think. This time, they'll get some consultants in and have their own fans onside with it all. It'll be billed as anti-UEFA and pro-football. FIFA will probably lead it. It'll suit the likes of Utd who are going to be shut out of the UCL for a fair old while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted June 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2022 Just now, Tomaszk said: Nah it was replacing the Champions League. Once that league absorbed all the TV money, the PL (and all other domestic leagues) would become secondary competitions. They all should have been kicked out. It will happen sooner than people think. This time, they'll get some consultants in and have their own fans onside with it all. It'll be billed as anti-UEFA and pro-football. FIFA will probably lead it. It'll suit the likes of Utd who are going to be shut out of the UCL for a fair old while. well the initial CL reform proposal was just a SL lite. it was basically saying that if chelsea finished 5th, and villa finished 4th, chelsea would get CL instead of us because of previous CL performance. i believe such a scenario has now been fixed and that if that situation were to arise, both us and chelsea would get CL. this has all been done by UEFA themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 41 minutes ago, tomav84 said: well the initial CL reform proposal was just a SL lite. it was basically saying that if chelsea finished 5th, and villa finished 4th, chelsea would get CL instead of us because of previous CL performance. i believe such a scenario has now been fixed and that if that situation were to arise, both us and chelsea would get CL. this has all been done by UEFA themselves. I think a version did get pushed through you know. But it's more continent wide. I think the co-efficient is included or something, so in that scenario Villa would be fine but the champions of Denmark would get pushed down into qualifying. Or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted June 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2022 19 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: I think a version did get pushed through you know. But it's more continent wide. I think the co-efficient is included or something, so in that scenario Villa would be fine but the champions of Denmark would get pushed down into qualifying. Or something. yeah that's along the lines of what i thought it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzyBoy Posted June 27, 2022 Visiting Supporter Share Posted June 27, 2022 On 25/06/2022 at 09:08, tomav84 said: they moved on to botman because we just bought their top target. i'm not too concerned personally. I mean, that's just not true is it. Botman was always our first choice, and we haven't been in for Carlos since January. I don't know why people need to make stuff like this up - it just diminishes anything else you have to say. Why not just be happy that you have Carlos - definitely a really good buy for you (as he would have been for Newcastle), rather than celebrating that you snatched him away from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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