maqroll Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 What an obscene thing to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Even MI5 are concerned about the government's assault on civil liberties under the cover of the Woolwich murder. Exclusive: Woolwich attacks - MI5 refuses to back ‘snooper’s charter’ Using Drummer Rigby killing to justify extra powers is ‘cheap’, say security chiefs A Conservative-backed plan to allow police and the security services unprecedented access to people’s internet communications would not have helped prevent the murder of Lee Rigby, M15 officers have indicated. Senior security sources have told The Independent that attempts to cite last Wednesday’s killing as a reason to push forward with the controversial “snooper’s charter” was a “cheap argument”. The remarks will be seen as a rebuke to the Home Secretary, Theresa May, who suggested at the weekend that the Draft Communications Bill was “essential for the intelligence agencies” to combat the threat of terrorism. In fact, the security source suggested, the Bill would be of greater use to the police in gathering evidence in the early stages of an investigation than it would be in preventing the type of attack seen in Woolwich. They stressed any decision to proceed with the Bill, which is being blocked by the Liberal Democrats, was a political one and the effect on civil liberties would have to be taken into consideration. Today, it also emerged that the head of MI5, Andrew Parker, has written to the Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee setting out what the security services knew about the activities of the Woolwich suspects Michael Adebowale and Michael Adebolajo. This follows talks between Mr Parker and Sir Malcolm Rifkind, the chairman of the committee, last week. In the wake of the attack it emerged that Adebolajo and Adebowale were both known to MI5 – and may have been approached to act as informers. Today, Adebowale was taken to a police station in south London after being released from hospital. He was formally arrested on suspicion of the murder and suspicion of the attempted murder of a police officer. He will now be interviewed by detectives from the Metropolitan Police Service Counter Terrorism Command. In an interview, Sir Malcolm insisted that MI5 was not being criticised over the killings. “I don’t think they’re in the dock. I think that would be very unfair,” he said. “Do remember one fundamental point: the fact we have not had anyone killed until these tragic events in Woolwich since the 7/7 bombings [in London] in 2005 is not because there hasn’t been terrorist plots. Every year since 2005 there has been at least one, sometimes two or even more, terrorist plots which were disrupted and prevented from killing British citizens, partly because of the work of MI5 – in some cases very largely because of the work of MI5 – and other intelligence agencies.” Sir Malcolm said he was very confident the committee would get to the bottom of MI5’s work related to the Woolwich incident and that Mr Parker had offered him assurances that MI5 would fully co-operate with the investigation. The ISC has Parliament-approved powers to access all relevant files and internal papers from MI5. Sir Malcolm said that after the ISC deliberations, David Cameron and Parliament would receive a report. He added that elements of Parliament’s report might be redacted for public viewing on the grounds of national security. Sir Malcolm added that the effect of government spending cuts on the security services would also be analysed during the ISC’s review. “We would be concerned if there were to be any further reduction in resources for the intelligence agencies,” he said. “Whether this is relevant to the Woolwich incident, frankly I’m not going to comment on it at the moment. We will go where the evidence takes us and we will come to a judgement as to whether that is indeed part of the problem, if there was a problem or if it’s not relevant to this particular matter.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 29, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted May 29, 2013 So the numbers and addresses of the bigwigs in the EDL are all over Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I found another picture on image search that CISCO Ironport won't let me look at but its an EDL banner that reads RESPECT ARE LANGUAGE - LEARN ENGLISH or somesuch cobblers. That was presented on here as an EDL thing, but was exposed by one of our more balanced left leaning contributors as a US banner, far away from the EDL. It's always good to note that those at both extremes of politics always seek to reinforce their views by attempting to dupe the majority who sit in the middle ground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted May 29, 2013 Moderator Share Posted May 29, 2013 Get the popcorn out - this could be interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uG-01A_Yfdg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Get the popcorn out - this could be interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uG-01A_Yfdg I didn't know Stephen Hawking had joined Anonymous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Whislt I appreciate any effort to expose the EDL for what they truely are.....Anonymous (assuming its them) always seem to come off like a bunch of knobs. "We are legion" oh **** off you bunch of pretencious nerds. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regular_john Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 for all their exciting and ominous videos, have anonymous ever succeeded in taking down an organisation such as this? or really achieved anything at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Exciting? Ominous? Judging by that video they're just really weird. I think "nerdy", like Eames said, describes my impression of them best. Exciting? Ominous? Judging by that video they're just really weird. I think "nerdy", like Eames said, describes my impression of them best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Exciting? Ominous? Judging by that video they're just really weird. I think "nerdy", like Eames said, describes my impression of them best. Exciting? Ominous? Judging by that video they're just really weird. I think "nerdy", like Eames said, describes my impression of them best. You can say that again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Exciting? Ominous? Judging by that video they're just really weird. I think "nerdy", like Eames said, describes my impression of them best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Whislt I appreciate any effort to expose the EDL for what they truely are.....Anonymous (assuming its them) always seem to come off like a bunch of knobs. "We are legion" oh **** off you bunch of pretencious nerds. *pretentious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Indeed you are right Coda. II shall birch myself as penance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Cut them some slack. They sound like pretentious nerds because they ARE pretentious nerds. But they have my backing, every little helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Exciting? Ominous? Judging by that video they're just really weird. I think "nerdy", like Eames said, describes my impression of them best. Heh. Bloody 3G Internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I don't believe in Vigilante justice, but I'll admit I do find it amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 29, 2013 Moderator Share Posted May 29, 2013 Meh. Anonymous are a force for good. That's reason enough to back them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Meh. Anonymous are a force for good. That's reason enough to back them. Indeed and I'd much rather have the anarchists on my side than against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 On the point about the use of incidents like this to justify and extend state surveillance, this film (30 mins) looks at some of the massive extension of snooping on anyone and everyone. And here is where the US stores it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 29, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted May 29, 2013 (edited) They managed to get a pastebin with all the personal details of the EDL members all over Twitter. Still on there as well with a hashtag I'm not going to post but it's pretty easy to find. I managed to find the document. Kinda scary how many numbers and addresses they got. Edited May 29, 2013 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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