Big_John_10 Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 A loan deal for this guy would be disappointing for two reasons. 1) clearly shows Lambert's not being fully backed by Lerner. 2) it seems pointless as surely it's in our interest to get Helenius up to speed with minutes on the pitch instead of a player we don't own.This guy could be a back up Benteke. Helenus is built like Peter Crouch and couldn't do that role.Then what was he bought for? Surely he's our back up forward as well as being able to play with Benteke. Signing this guy on loan would almost certainly effect his minutes on the pitch. People assume Helenius will be a back-up for Benteke because of his height, but he isn't strong like Benteke and he would fail at playing alone in the same role. If anything we'll play Helenius alongside Benteke, potentially just behind him I think. I don't assume he's back up because of his height. I assumed his back up because he's a striker. We play with 3 strikers. Was he not the main striker at his old club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Latest twitter bollocks is Kozak from Lazio as reported by "Benteke is on ebay" Sky Italia. Take with a salt mine but there you go. Theres no salt left. We used it all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 I hope this Kozak stuff isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 We could spend £100 million and not be guaranteed Europa League football next season. If we spend in a sustainable way, on young and hungry players that are offered at great value, we have a method that will work our way up the league. Once we get to very near the Europa League spot with this method, then will be the time to go for that extra push. Exactly, people are so impatient it's untrue. They've done everything right this summer other than find someone for Given and Ireland to go to. This is going to take at least two more windows to completely fix us. I have no idea what the have in mind for this guy but I would give them the benefit of the doubt right now. Impatient? We've just had possibly 3 of the worst consecutive seasons in recent memory and people are questioning how much Lambert's been backed with. No ones demanding 100 million. No ones demanding £80,000 a week wages. We'd hope that with an increase in TV revenue and getting someone like bent off the books that the manager would have been given more than what we've spent so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted September 1, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2013 We could spend £100 million and not be guaranteed Europa League football next season. If we spend in a sustainable way, on young and hungry players that are offered at great value, we have a method that will work our way up the league. Once we get to very near the Europa League spot with this method, then will be the time to go for that extra push. Exactly, people are so impatient it's untrue. They've done everything right this summer other than find someone for Given and Ireland to go to. This is going to take at least two more windows to completely fix us. I have no idea what the have in mind for this guy but I would give them the benefit of the doubt right now. It's my belief that we don't need to spend £100m. We just need a decent player to create. Imagine if we had a player like Coutinho, a player like that would give us so many more points over the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardvillan Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Latest twitter bollocks is Kozak from Lazio as reported by "Benteke is on ebay" Sky Italia. Take with a salt mine but there you go. Sorry, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardvillan Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 James Nursey @JamesNursey 1m Writing an #AVFC transfer story for tomorrow's mirror, expecting at least 1 in and 1 out I hope it isn't Kozak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redditch_Villa Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 James Nursey on twitter "Writing an #AVFC transfer story for tomorrow's mirror, expecting at least 1 in and 1 out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 (edited) edit: beaten Edited September 1, 2013 by ciggiesnbeer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 "at least". I expect the ins may depends on the outs. I'd put my money on Kozak in and Given out but hopefully we can shift some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 How does Kozak make any sense though? Whats Lambert gonna do player 4-2-4 every game? Wait, its "sod it just attack more" lambert, forget I asked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandaq Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 really disappointing if its a loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 We could spend £100 million and not be guaranteed Europa League football next season. If we spend in a sustainable way, on young and hungry players that are offered at great value, we have a method that will work our way up the league. Once we get to very near the Europa League spot with this method, then will be the time to go for that extra push. Exactly, people are so impatient it's untrue. They've done everything right this summer other than find someone for Given and Ireland to go to. This is going to take at least two more windows to completely fix us. I have no idea what the have in mind for this guy but I would give them the benefit of the doubt right now. It's my belief that we don't need to spend £100m. We just need a decent player to create. Imagine if we had a player like Coutinho, a player like that would give us so many more points over the year. Even £10m would put our net spend at £20m if you believe the figures in the papers, added to being committed to paying Ireland's wages which is probably another £3m, plus possibly Given. I still think they've played a blinder this summer no mater what happens tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 How does Kozak make any sense though? Whats Lambert gonna do player 4-2-4 every game? Wait, its "sod it just attack more" lambert, forget I asked I expect he'll be backup. If he's being signed for that reason then a loan makes a lot more sense than a permanent deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Said earlier this week I expected a loan, a really cheap one and a reasonably pricey one. Still expecting that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 His stats are not great and I've never seen him play but I'll back Lambert on this as he knows better than me. For playing at home we could probably play a system with Kozak up front and our 3 usual starters all playing behind him and switching positions like we have seen glimpses off in some games so far this season. Could be lethal.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Don't we already have 4 strikers though? Although as pointed out already we sorta play with 3. (Forgot Bowery:5) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted September 1, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2013 (edited) I realllllllly think we are done here. Assuming the Kozak story is true, good timing Tayls . Edited September 1, 2013 by AVTuco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchard Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 His stats are not great and I've never seen him play but I'll back Lambert on this as he knows better than me. For playing at home we could probably play a system with Kozak up front and our 3 usual starters all playing behind him and switching positions like we have seen glimpses off in some games so far this season. Could be lethal.! To be fair, Benteke's stats looked pretty disappointing too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limvillian Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 His stats are not great and I've never seen him play but I'll back Lambert on this as he knows better than me. For playing at home we could probably play a system with Kozak up front and our 3 usual starters all playing behind him and switching positions like we have seen glimpses off in some games so far this season. Could be lethal.! To be fair, Benteke's stats looked pretty disappointing too. His 20 goals in 40 games for Genk just before signing for us wasn't too shabby tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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