PieFacE Posted September 26, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 26, 2017 Can see Paul Lambert rocking up at Sunderland soon. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Grayson's record suggested he'd be a steady eddie type for them and keep them mid table while they sorted out the club ownership. Given that's looking beyond him and they might have to sack him it does beg the question who'd be mad enough to take that job in their present state. Comes to something when the SHA job is a more attractive proposition to anyone outside the Midlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I would place no blame on Grayson. Previous managers ruined the club. He didnt sign crap like Gibson, O'Shea. Kone who are on big money but arent putting in effort or in the first 2 case not good enough for League 1 said it before, Lerner(amazingly) actually was a more sensible chairman than Short and while we sort of accepted relegation in final season Sunderland brought in 4 or 5 firefighters who all went and signed there own players then to be sacked 3 or 4 months later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I don't think Sunderland can afford to sack him tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, Zatman said: I would place no blame on Grayson. Previous managers ruined the club. He didnt sign crap like Gibson, O'Shea. Kone who are on big money but arent putting in effort or in the first 2 case not good enough for League 1 said it before, Lerner(amazingly) actually was a more sensible chairman than Short and while we sort of accepted relegation in final season Sunderland brought in 4 or 5 firefighters who all went and signed there own players then to be sacked 3 or 4 months later Yes, they should have just accepted it was the end, shut up shop and took their medicine. Instead they spent about 15m on Oviedo, Gibson, Mcnair and some other donkey. No doubt all on 40k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Until the owner goes they are in trouble. Utterly clueless. Its a shame as they are a big club who always travel in numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 26, 2017 Moderator Share Posted September 26, 2017 I’d like them to sort themselves out if only to help ensure Small Heath drop, right now it’s looking like Bolton and Sunderland are as good as down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 9 hours ago, rodders0223 said: Yes, they should have just accepted it was the end, shut up shop and took their medicine. Instead they spent about 15m on Oviedo, Gibson, Mcnair and some other donkey. No doubt all on 40k. Yes I really thats why Garde was not backed with a signing as we accepted relegation and the plan was to spend more for a promotion push. if we had spent a lot that january our budget would probably have been smaller for last summer. Grayson reminds me of Garde, but he was silly to leave Preston as Sunderland were a masisve mess and he was doing well at Preston. Bad mistake for Grayson. Expect him to be made the fall guy and sacked in the next 5-6 games if things dont get better We dodged a bullet with Moyes thank god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomvilla7 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Grayson has probably committed career suicide with that move, and I do feel for him. They are in an awful mess and makes me appreciate that we appear to be on the way back up. But he was mad to take it, he had a positive thing going at PNE and the signings he made there before he left are doing really well at the moment. I don't think we ever hit that low a level (thankfully!) but they are in serious trouble on and off the pitch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 27, 2017 Moderator Share Posted September 27, 2017 I think his long term career will be OK given that everyone within the footballing world will know the mess he has inherited. I also think in a way he was right to take the job. Firstly he will no doubt be on a far bigger wage than he was on at Preston. People can dismiss that as an incentive all they want, but it pays the bills. The payoff after any failure will also be huge. So in the event of any failure he'll get loads of money and he's on loads of money at the moment. But if (massive if) he was to somehow get it right, then the ceiling for a club of Sunderland's size far exceeds that of Preston. Although the size does come with its own suffocating pressure too (sound familiar?). So if he does badly, cha-ching and on you go to the next job (which you will get due to the aforementioned shitheap at SoL). If he does well then he's at the helm of one of the biggest and most fervently supported clubs in the country. Win-win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 17 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: Until the owner goes they are in trouble. Utterly clueless. Its a shame as they are a big club who always travel in numbers. Not so much this season. in the prem they mostly took the smallest allocation possible. 400 to Everton last week, 700 to Ipswich last night(bugger of a journey I know) few other low turn outs too. Not a patch on our support last season and so far this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 It's weird how similar their fates and ours have been over the past few seasons. It's like they're a season behind us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Double drop looks likely and it was predicted by a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Us without a new owner. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holtend4life Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 £1400 return on this. Put it on after they lost to the Celtic B team in July 5-0. It is very chilling thinking that could have been us if we hadn't been bought last summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Absolutely would've been us with the doc stepping in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 53 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Absolutely would've been us with the doc stepping in. I believe Lerner did tell Tony 'the squad is good enough to go straight back up' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 They have got off to a poor start but there are worse teams in the division than Sunderland. Over 46 games they will accumulate enough points to stay up. No chance they will go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 There is no way they go down. Their squad is pretty bad, but there are far worse teams in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Teams like Burton and Barnsley know what they have to scrap and stay up. Burton are always good for nicking draws which keeps the points tally ticking over. SHA will certainly improve imo if they appoint Karanka, they have some good players in their squad. I don't see the same with Sunderland, who's going to score 15-20 goals for them for a start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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