Meath_Villan Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 This is still the hearing for bail ....right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Yeah, the trial will go for much longer and into much more detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 cant see the prosecution doing much when they have basically been torn to shreds ....can his version of events be true ?? this shits addictive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 21, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted February 21, 2013 can his version of events be true ?? this shits addictive It CAN. It most likely isn't. But the problem for the prisecution is unless they prove that it COULDN'T be true, then they'll have trouble proving him guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 cant see the prosecution doing much when they have basically been torn to shreds ....can his version of events be true ?? this shits addictive The prosecution have come across poorly, and the investigator appears to have formed a view and then looked for things which support that view. While this may be how police often behave, it's not what they are meant to do. However, it's not the trial, and on lots of points which the defence are raising (like not knowing whether the supposed witness was 300 or 600 metres away, not having required the phone company to produce the record of calls pronto rather than when the bloke asked to do it gets round to it), perhaps they weren't expecting to have to go into this level of detail at a bail hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Yes, there are a number of things that need to be followed up, like the phone records or the bullet angles or the witness statements etc. If just one of them contradicts his story it will look very bad for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted February 21, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted February 21, 2013 Yes, there are a number of things that need to be followed up, like the phone records or the bullet angles or the witness statements etc. If just one of them contradicts his story it will look very bad for him. Roux said earlier that the trajectory of the shots was consistent with OP's story. A point conceded by the prosecution. The rozzers have been made to look like proper chumps on the witness statement and the fact that hey still don't have the phone records yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 So far following it ...the cricket bat was not used to hit her with , the bullet angles go with op side of events ...he brought her downstairs and made an attempt to keep her alive until the emergency services got there ....and this is the bail hearing ....This never happened in my cousin vinny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) can his version of events be true ?? this shits addictive It CAN. It most likely isn't. But the problem for the prisecution is unless they prove that it COULDN'T be true, then they'll have trouble proving him guilty. Love the way you've typed prosecution with a South African accent Edited February 21, 2013 by Jon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Maybe I'm about to give them too much credit here - but there is a school of thought that this is a brilliant ploy by the SA authorities to get OP to hand over the defense arguements in a hearing that doesn't matter so they know which holes to plug come the full trial? The defence have had to launch all their big guns now to get bail.... have they kept any surprises back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Hang on, he shoots his girlfriend dead, carries her downstairs then calls his dad and brother and doesn't bother with a ambulance or the OB ?! Hello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Hang on, he shoots his girlfriend dead, carries her downstairs then calls his dad and brother and doesn't bother with a ambulance or the OB ?! Hello There are conflicting accounts about whether he called security and asked them to call paramedics (which is obviously slower than just calling emergency services direct). He's reported also to have called a friend. The prosecution were criticised for not asking whether he had a phone other than the ones they found in the apartment, and the records of calls are still to be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Fair enough. To be honest, the prosecution have really been poor and the defence superb this week so far, albeit I reckon Nel will go through the gears tomorrow when he rips into OP's statement. As said above, the prosecution may be just playing a game of poker at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Botha now removed from the investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Yep posted earlier. Top SA detective now on the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Really hope he doesn't get bail, suspect he will mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongotastic Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Following @barrybateman on twitter. First with the news. The prosecution is summing up. There's some woefully subjective evidence being thrown out there. Haven't seen this much hear'say since 2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Really hope he doesn't get bail Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Dangerous question DDID. Thats not an insight I'm in any hurry to be given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaForever1970 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Really hope he doesn't get bailWhy?He's a danager to THE WORLD! Edited February 22, 2013 by VillaForever1970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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