Pongotastic Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 The prosecution are having a bit of a mare. There's a lot of non verified, subjective statements being ripped into by the defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I was initially very skeptical of the intruder defence. I still am. But the guy is, even in SA and even during a trial by media, innocent until proven guilty. Whilst that particular set of "coincidences" as you call them are highly unlikely, they don't seem all that ridiculous to me. the thing is DDID what seems ridiculous to me three shots were fired through the bathroom right? surely after one shot he would have heard a female scream? why he continue to do another two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Things seem to be swinging back in Pistorious' favour at the moment. Victim had empty bladder at time of death, consistent with someone getting up to go to the toilet. Testosterone found to be legal herbal remedy. Nearest neighbour claiming to have heard argument lives over 600m away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited)  ["quote= name=peterms" post="885257" timestamp="1361313850] I don't know if it's me or the quoting system, but I'm having great difficulty replying to things   without changing who said what, and that's   feeding through to posts which quote anything I've quoted... Edited February 20, 2013 by CrackpotForeigner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 20, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted February 20, 2013 What's going on with VT and all these " " all of a sudden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I'm no expert, but surely with a Semi-Automatic pistol, in a panic... you could easily squeeze off four rounds before realising something was amiss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Things seem to be swinging back in Pistorious' favour at the moment. Victim had empty bladder at time of death, consistent with someone getting up to go to the toilet. Testosterone found to be legal herbal remedy. Nearest neighbour claiming to have heard argument lives over 600m away. It still makes no sense that she was dressed and it might be strange to have an empty bladder at 3am if you had been sleeping but not if you were up arguing all night, she could have gone to the toilet at any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 She was wearing "shorts and a vest" Mrs E sleeps like that? **** hell - I do. Not exactly ball gown and heels is it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 She was wearing "shorts and a vest" Mrs E sleeps like that? **** hell - I do. Not exactly ball gown and heels is it?! Yeah, but only to protect herself from your bed-wetting antics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Guilty as charged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Seems the prosecution aren't doing such a great job of arguing their case. Perhaps they don't have one. I doubt Pistorius will need a crack shot team of lawyers to get out of this one. It seems all he has to do is tell the 'truth'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Seems the prosecution aren't doing such a great job of arguing their case. Perhaps they don't have one. I doubt Pistorius will need a crack shot team of lawyers to get out of this one. It seems all he has to do is tell the 'truth'. Does this mean that you think he's innocent, or that you think the truth alone won't be enough to convict him of murder, despite being guilty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Seems the prosecution aren't doing such a great job of arguing their case. Perhaps they don't have one. I doubt Pistorius will need a crack shot team of lawyers to get out of this one. It seems all he has to do is tell the 'truth'. Does this mean that you think he's innocent, or that you think the truth alone won't be enough to convict him of murder, despite being guilty? I actually don't know. Obviously he killed her, we know that much. Did he intend to kill her? Probably. I think it was a moment of insanity, literally a split second brain fart with dire consequences. I think he's a violent man but I don't think he's a psychopath. I think he can be rehabilitated rather than locking him up and throwing away the key. I think... Obviously I have no idea how the case is going to pan out. However, there seems to be a LOT of reasonable doubt. He'll be convicted of Manslaughter IMO and get a fairly hefty sentence befitting that crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I was initially very skeptical of the intruder defence. I still am. But the guy is, even in SA and even during a trial by media, innocent until proven guilty. Whilst that particular set of "coincidences" as you call them are highly unlikely, they don't seem all that ridiculous to me. the thing is DDID what seems ridiculous to me three shots were fired through the bathroom right? surely after one shot he would have heard a female scream? why he continue to do another two? If you shoot a gun , especially indoors, without wearing ear defenders then your hearing is going to be impaired for a short time . You get that loud ringing sensation . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 The defence are destroying the police officers statement taking him to the cleaners I think this could be deja vu OJ simpson mark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 You know how many people say if they found out their girlfriend was cheating they'd kill her? Well, this man is a South African with a gun. I wouldn't be surprised, lets put it that way. I'm sure we've all heard the story of how he almost shot his friend in the foot? Complete accident, but it's a different world over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I think that .... nbsp; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I think this could be deja vu OJ simpson mark 2 It's looking that way. Minted famous athlete hires best lawyers available, and outperforms less good prosecution team. Thing is, he won't just 'get off'. Aa I mentioned earlier, what's the least he can get? Maybe manslaughter? You don't just get 'let off' for 'accidentally/mistakenly' killing someone. He'll do time. Just depends how much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 The prosecution are having a bit of a mare. There's a lot of non verified, subjective statements being ripped into by the defence. "Botha admits to magistrate that he "didn't read the whole name" when claiming testosterone found. Botha on ropes, floundering." To be fair, testoconpasupium is quite a long word. You can see how someone might lose interest part way through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 The defence are destroying the police officers statement taking him to the cleaners I think this could be deja vu OJ simpson mark 2 It could. Or he could, actually, be telling the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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