tonyh29 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Doesn't the fact a neighbour has already said in court that she heard screams and called security before the gunshots mean it's game over for Oscar already? you mean the neighbour who was several hundred metres away and pretty much already discredited as lying ..if the defence team cant rip her to shreds in seconds then they should be fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 3, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted March 3, 2014 Plus even if that's true it doesn't prove anything. It would make it a hell of a lot more likely that he's lying. But it doesn't prove he shot her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Hard to know how someone will react in a state of panic but I find it very hard to believe he woke up confused thinking there may be an intruder in his house and he didn't think to check his girlfriend was still lying next to him before he fired 4 shots through the bathroom door again without checking if his girlfriend was in there, surely that would be your first thought before firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Hard to know how someone will react in a state of panic but I find it very hard to believe he woke up confused thinking there may be an intruder in his house and he didn't think to check his girlfriend was still lying next to him before he fired 4 shots through the bathroom door again without checking if his girlfriend was in there, surely that would be your first thought before firing. maybe he thought there was a Brazilian electrician in his bathroom ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Hard to know how someone will react in a state of panic but I find it very hard to believe he woke up confused thinking there may be an intruder in his house and he didn't think to check his girlfriend was still lying next to him before he fired 4 shots through the bathroom door again without checking if his girlfriend was in there, surely that would be your first thought before firing. how do you prove that though? thats why im surprised the prosecutors have gone for murder rather than manslaughter, i think it's dodgy as **** but a shit hot lawyer will get him off that charge in my mind theres pretty much no chance of proving that he knew what he was doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Hard to know how someone will react in a state of panic but I find it very hard to believe he woke up confused thinking there may be an intruder in his house and he didn't think to check his girlfriend was still lying next to him before he fired 4 shots through the bathroom door again without checking if his girlfriend was in there, surely that would be your first thought before firing. how do you prove that though? thats why im surprised the prosecutors have gone for murder rather than manslaughter, i think it's dodgy as **** but a shit hot lawyer will get him off that charge in my mind theres pretty much no chance of proving that he knew what he was doing Yes exactly. He will literally get away with murder. You shouldn't be able to walk away from killing an intruder and certainly not when you find out the 'intruder' was your girlfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 I watched a bit of it and I thougnt the prosecution trying to claim the witness couldn't distinguish between a female and male scream was a bit weak and also that she wouldn't be able to tell the difference between gun shots being fired and a cricket bat bashing a door. It was a bit farcical as well with the defence lawyer asking the questions in English Ms Burger replying in Africaan and the intepretor translating to English and then Ms Burger correcting the translation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Doesn't the fact a neighbour has already said in court that she heard screams and called security before the gunshots mean it's game over for Oscar already? you mean the neighbour who was several hundred metres away and pretty much already discredited as lying ..if the defence team cant rip her to shreds in seconds then they should be fired 177 metres, apparently. At night, in a gated community, presumably not a place with lots of heavy traffic or other night-time noise. I was on a quiet railway platform this afternoon and could hear someone speaking into his phone about 60 metres away, not shouting, just talking. Sometimes at night people sit on a bench about 60 metres away from my bedroom window, and I hear them talking. I'd say my hearing is reasonably good, nothing out of the ordinary. I'd be very surprised if a loud scream couldn't be heard from some distance, at night, without much other noise going on. Especially since screaming is a signal we're wired to respond to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Yep I have sat on one side of Edgbaston cricket ground and heard someone shout from the opposite side so I would say its plausible that you could hear someone yell out in the middle of the night when theres no other noise around from a distance of 177 metres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 What are the statistics for burglaries in this gated community? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Doesn't the fact a neighbour has already said in court that she heard screams and called security before the gunshots mean it's game over for Oscar already? you mean the neighbour who was several hundred metres away and pretty much already discredited as lying ..if the defence team cant rip her to shreds in seconds then they should be fired 177 metres, apparently. At night, in a gated community, presumably not a place with lots of heavy traffic or other night-time noise. I was on a quiet railway platform this afternoon and could hear someone speaking into his phone about 60 metres away, not shouting, just talking. Sometimes at night people sit on a bench about 60 metres away from my bedroom window, and I hear them talking. I'd say my hearing is reasonably good, nothing out of the ordinary. I'd be very surprised if a loud scream couldn't be heard from some distance, at night, without much other noise going on. Especially since screaming is a signal we're wired to respond to. at the initial hearing that witness was 600m away ... she seems to have moved some distance since Feb 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Doesn't the fact a neighbour has already said in court that she heard screams and called security before the gunshots mean it's game over for Oscar already? you mean the neighbour who was several hundred metres away and pretty much already discredited as lying ..if the defence team cant rip her to shreds in seconds then they should be fired 177 metres, apparently. At night, in a gated community, presumably not a place with lots of heavy traffic or other night-time noise. I was on a quiet railway platform this afternoon and could hear someone speaking into his phone about 60 metres away, not shouting, just talking. Sometimes at night people sit on a bench about 60 metres away from my bedroom window, and I hear them talking. I'd say my hearing is reasonably good, nothing out of the ordinary. I'd be very surprised if a loud scream couldn't be heard from some distance, at night, without much other noise going on. Especially since screaming is a signal we're wired to respond to. at the initial hearing that witness was 600m away ... she seems to have moved some distance since Feb 2013 wasn't it the defence that exaggerated the distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Doesn't the fact a neighbour has already said in court that she heard screams and called security before the gunshots mean it's game over for Oscar already? you mean the neighbour who was several hundred metres away and pretty much already discredited as lying ..if the defence team cant rip her to shreds in seconds then they should be fired 177 metres, apparently. At night, in a gated community, presumably not a place with lots of heavy traffic or other night-time noise. I was on a quiet railway platform this afternoon and could hear someone speaking into his phone about 60 metres away, not shouting, just talking. Sometimes at night people sit on a bench about 60 metres away from my bedroom window, and I hear them talking. I'd say my hearing is reasonably good, nothing out of the ordinary. I'd be very surprised if a loud scream couldn't be heard from some distance, at night, without much other noise going on. Especially since screaming is a signal we're wired to respond to. at the initial hearing that witness was 600m away ... she seems to have moved some distance since Feb 2013 wasn't it the defence that exaggerated the distance. Thought it was Botha , the now disgraced policeman ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Hard to know how someone will react in a state of panic but I find it very hard to believe he woke up confused thinking there may be an intruder in his house and he didn't think to check his girlfriend was still lying next to him before he fired 4 shots through the bathroom door again without checking if his girlfriend was in there, surely that would be your first thought before firing. how do you prove that though? thats why im surprised the prosecutors have gone for murder rather than manslaughter, i think it's dodgy as **** but a shit hot lawyer will get him off that charge in my mind theres pretty much no chance of proving that he knew what he was doing Yes exactly. He will literally get away with murder. You shouldn't be able to walk away from killing an intruder and certainly not when you find out the 'intruder' was your girlfriend. apart from if you live in country where its legal to kill an intruder, such as south africa.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 at the initial hearing that witness was 600m away ... she seems to have moved some distance since Feb 2013Three distances are mentioned in the Guardian coverage today, picked up from a reporter tweeting from the courtroom. Burger: We heard in the pre-trial about a witness who lives 600 metres from #Pistorius and realised how important our testimony is.— David Smith (@SmithInAfrica) March 3, 2014(Which seems to mean that the 600m refers to another witness, at which point this one came forward). Court studying photo taken from Burger's bedroom balcony, 177 metres from #Pistorius's house.— David Smith (@SmithInAfrica) March 3, 2014#Pistorius says witness's house is 105 metres from his and it would not have been possible for witness to hear voices raised in argument.— David Smith (@SmithInAfrica) March 3, 2014But never mind all that. Has anyone asked if Alan Pardew can account for his movements that evening? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 What are the statistics for burglaries in this gated community? What the one with armed guards and electric fences? Not even Hudson Hawk would have tried his luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 LIstening to the trial live. Seriously impressed with Oscar's brief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 LIstening to the trial live. Seriously impressed with Oscar's brief. yep well he can afford the best there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 She was wearing Nike trainers when she was killed. Who gets up at 3am and laces up a pair of trainers, without turning on a light, to walk into their ensuite and go to the toilet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 She was wearing Nike trainers when she was killed. Who gets up at 3am and laces up a pair of trainers, without turning on a light, to walk into their ensuite and go to the toilet? Perhaps they hadn't gone to bed yet? No, sorry, that doesn't fit the defence case. My mistake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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