NurembergVillan Posted May 21, 2014 Moderator Share Posted May 21, 2014 For a while. Until he put a stop to it. Like Randy. Our team hasn't been crap for the entirety of Lerner's reign either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Its about 50/50. He doesn't sell this summer and the majority of his time here will have been crap. We've reached lows I never thought we'd come close to when he first bought the club. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted May 21, 2014 Moderator Share Posted May 21, 2014 Don't disagree with you on any of those points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted May 21, 2014 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2014 A little piece of me dies every time I see or hear Ellis mentioned, never more so than when its in comparison to the current 'custodian'. Any comparison is really rather pointless, both had their weaknesses and both had.....er yeah erm their time at the helm. Both in their own ways have contributed to the steady decline of this club over a 30 year period which results in our position today. Both had a few decent years but both had less decent years than bad and that is ultimately as neither of them seemingly had a bloody clue how to run the club or unlock its potential. And neither had sufficient wealth to make up for their short comings. Both in their own ways are bad 'custodian's of the club because neither of them in their tenures managed to advance the club or its position within the game during their time, in fact it could be argued both took it backwards. Lerner should be viewed and judged on his own merits without any reference to Ellis. While Ellis should always be remembered as being the self serving, lying prick he always was. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Probably because we had a defence that included Wilfred Bouma, Olof Mellberg and Martin Laursen. So Doug allowed a better team to be built. I wouldn't quite say that BJ If MON had spent the large sums he was given on better players, we would have had a fantastic side. As it was he signed 3-4 good ones and a whole steaming heap of overpriced turd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 People do have short memories on Ellis, the man who couldn't find the cash to buy Erik Bakke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 People do have short memories on Ellis, the man who couldn't find the cash to buy Erik Bakke. Definitely. It's a shame that instead of just having justified criticism of Lerner (although some of it goes over the top IMO) there has also been an emergence of historical revisionism over Ellis. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 People do have short memories on Ellis, the man who couldn't find the cash to buy Erik Bakke. Definitely. It's a shame that instead of just having justified criticism of Lerner (although some of it goes over the top IMO) there has also been an emergence of historical revisionism over Ellis. It's similar to bringing in McLeish against Lambert. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 People do have short memories on Ellis, the man who couldn't find the cash to buy Erik Bakke. wasnt it just a loan extension we couldn't afford from a team in serious financial trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 People do have short memories on Ellis, the man who couldn't find the cash to buy Erik Bakke. wasnt it just a loan extension we couldn't afford from a team in serious financial trouble Yeh something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I would also say that when comparing spend between Ellis and Lerner there are two main factors; 1. Ellis never spent a penny of his own money. Randy has used a fair bit of his own cash I would say 2. Wages. I'm willing to bet that Dunne for example earn't more per week when he signed than Mellberg and Laursen did combined when they were signed. The wages and lack of 'sellable' players killed the Lerner regime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 There was a lot of actual hate for Ellis, heard stories about AGM meetings getting vicious during his time here. Not sure there is that level of hate for Randy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Unless you have a very head strong and smart chairman (someone like Levy), you don't let people like O'Neill or Redknapp near your club. Manipulators that seem to leave a lot of clubs in a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted May 21, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) Such a waste of time comparing Ellis v Lerner. Ultimately both were ****** useless, in different ways, and unfortunately unless the next owner is prepared to invest they will be no different. After all the **** about some of the richest people in the world buying us, it is now becoming apparrent that there is no Knight in shining armour on route to save AVFC. The last two owners have basically balls up our great club and it is very difficult to see how we are going to avoid another season just fighting for survival. Ellis sold a club on it's knees to Lerner who in turn in just 8 years has brought us to our knees again! Edited May 21, 2014 by MikeMcKenna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Unless you have a very head strong and smart chairman (someone like Levy), you don't let people like O'Neill or Redknapp near your club. Manipulators that seem to leave a lot of clubs in a mess. Levy employed Redknapp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Unless you have a very head strong and smart chairman (someone like Levy), you don't let people like O'Neill or Redknapp near your club. Manipulators that seem to leave a lot of clubs in a mess. Levy employed Redknapp. And Levy isn't 'smart' Not footbal-smart, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Unless you have a very head strong and smart chairman (someone like Levy), you don't let people like O'Neill or Redknapp near your club. Manipulators that seem to leave a lot of clubs in a mess. Levy employed Redknapp. I know, which is why Spurs are the only club Harry hasn't left in a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted May 21, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) Unless you have a very head strong and smart chairman (someone like Levy), you don't let people like O'Neill or Redknapp near your club. Manipulators that seem to leave a lot of clubs in a mess. Levy employed Redknapp.And Levy isn't 'smart' Not footbal-smart, anyway. This is very true and he is much over rated. Villa's salvation is not in finding another Levy or even a DOF, but having an owner who is prepared to invest in both the right players, coaches, coaching network and team management. You can have the best CEO in the world and it will no difference if the squad are not good enough through lack of investment. If anything Levy is evidence of CEO who had plenty of money and spent it badly. Wenger has plenty of critics, but he has consistently through CL qualification proven that it is all about the team management, players and good investment. They may not have won the PL for years, but I would give my right arm for their record. Edited May 21, 2014 by MikeMcKenna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Ellis vs Lerner is basically an argument over which steaming pile of human shit smells worse. Does it matter at this stage? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David-Copenhagen Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Ellis vs Lerner is basically an argument over which steaming pile of human shit smells worse. Does it matter at this stage? Not really, but it is just telling when you find yourself thinking "Doug would never have done that!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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