pacbuddies Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I expected us to not be fantastic at defending but we are the lowest scorers in the Prem. Being bad at defending and attacking = relegation. You couldn't have put it any simpler. Even the most optimistic people must surely realise that the worst attack + the worst defence = going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I find it strange that ones who keep telling us we're improving are also now telling us this level of record breaking shitness is to be expected. How does that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 How is Lambert's first 19 games vs McLeish's last 19 signs of an improvement!?! Comparing the first 19 games of two managers from two different seasons is pushing it, but first 19 v last 19 is bizarre. Bizarre??? comparing the last 19 games with the 19 games that went directly before them??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I find it strange that ones who keep telling us we're improving are also now telling us this level of record breaking shitness is to be expected. How does that work? Making up your own quotes again aren't you. I expect progress to be slow and stuttering. I expect setbacks along the way. The last two performances were unexpectedly bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Everyone knows we were shit under McLeish, the point is we're not doing any better with Lambert a the moment. I don't see what you're trying to prove by comparing PL's first 19 to McLeish's last 19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) How is Lambert's first 19 games vs McLeish's last 19 signs of an improvement!?! Comparing the first 19 games of two managers from two different seasons is pushing it, but first 19 v last 19 is bizarre. How is it? Lambert's first 19 games came directly after McLeish's last 19. You couldn't have put it any simpler. Even the most optimistic people must surely realise that the worst attack + the worst defence = going down. And yet we're 3 points clear of the relegation zone and have been out of it for most of the season. This suggest that although we do have the worst defence and the worst attack we are also inconsistent. I'd be more worried if we were consistently shit but we're not. Edited December 28, 2012 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) How is it? Lambert's first 19 games came directly after McLeish's last 19. And yet we're 3 points clear of the relegation zone and have been out of it for most of the season. This suggest that although we do have the worst defence and the worst attack we are also inconsistent. I'd be more worried if we were consistently shit but we're not. We are 3 points clear of the relegation zone and sit marginally above it so be worried. If you are accepting that it is okay to compare 19 games of Lamberts with 19 games of McLeish's then fine, let's compare MCleish's first 19 games whereby we were 9th in the league on 23 points. Were you at all concerned last season? Edited December 28, 2012 by pacbuddies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 How is it? Lambert's first 19 games came directly after McLeish's last 19. And yet we're 3 points clear of the relegation zone and have been out of it for most of the season. This suggest that although we do have the worst defence and the worst attack we are also inconsistent. I'd be more worried if we were consistently shit but we're not. McL's second half of last season returned .78pts per game with the average return getting worse PL's first half of the season returned .94pts per game with the average return trending upwards Two comparable periods directly following one another - one in which the trend of points return was getting worse and one where the trend for points return is getting better No one is saying that we are great - it is obvious from the last two performances that we are not, but we have started this season better than we finished last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Lambert took the squad McLeish finished with and added circa £20M worth of players to it! How on earth is it a fair comparison!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepDish Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Lambert took the squad McLeish finished with and added circa £20M worth of players to it! How on earth is it a fair comparison!? It's more fair when you consider that one player was sold for 2.5 mill (Collins), and two players bought for 11 mill pounds (Cuellar and Heskey) left the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 We are 3 points clear of the relegation zone and sit marginally above it so be worried. If you are accepting that it is okay to compare 19 games of Lamberts with 19 games of McLeish's then fine, let's compare MCleish's first 19 games whereby we were 9th in the league on 23 points. Were you at all concerned last season? PL picked up from where McL left off so obviously it makes sense to see if PL has made any improvement McL first 19 games were average (1.21pts per game), the next 19 were really bad (.74ppg) (the last ten of these averaged only .5ppg). PL then took over and has returned .94ppg with a trend that is upwards There are plenty of things to moan about but you can't argue with the fact that under McL our return got worse and worse and under PL it is recovering - obviously we have a long way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Benteke > Heskey (by light years) Vlaar > Collins (by miles) Clark > Cuellar So it's still a ridiculous comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) Its heartbreaking reading this thread at the moment. I can't believe I am reading stats that we have taken 0.94 points per game under Lambert, less than a point a game and this is seen as improvement. **** me how low we have fallen over the last couple of years when we are clinging to stats like these for hope. Edited December 28, 2012 by markavfc40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Said it in the relegation thread. If things were actually much better like we keep getting told then people wouldn't have to be selective in the periods they choose to compare. Its heartbreaking reading this thread at the moment. I can't believe I am reading stats that we have taken 0.94 points per game under Lambert, less than a point a game and this is improving. **** me low we have fallen over the last couple of years when we are clinging to stats like these for hope. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepDish Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Benteke > Heskey (by light years) Vlaar > Collins (by miles) Clark > Cuellar So it's still a ridiculous comparison. And that is why I am looking forward to the January window. We have a manager that is good at finding decent players. Add in that I think Westwood and Lowton has been decent, I think that things will improve once we have gotten the midfielders we desperately needs. Sorry to say it (I have kept hoping they would turn out to be good), but neither Bannan, Delph or El Ahmadi (will give El Ahmadi a bit more time, but patience is fading quickly) are good enough to start Premier League games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Its heartbreaking reading this thread at the moment. I can't believe I am reading stats that we have taken 0.94 points per game under Lambert, less than a point a game and this is seen as improvement. **** me how low we have fallen over the last couple of years when we are clinging to stats like these for hope. Mark, I agree entirely. I WANT to believe in the Lambert project so it's bloody soul destroying that it's not going as I thought it would. I honestly thought that we'd improve massively from the dark days of McLeish, but we're clinging onto distorted stats to show any improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaForever1970 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) Villa fans back to not understand giving someone time after a couple of losses. Will understand it after a couple of wins. Edited December 28, 2012 by VillaForever1970 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) Okay, my last straw's just been broken. I have lost my faith in the Lambert project; we aren't hosting one of this seasons's Topps Swap & Play tour dates anymore, it's gone to the **** Hawthorns instead! Lambert, Lerner, Faulkner, Nicky Keye, all the players, Doris the tea lady and all of you lot OUT. Edited December 28, 2012 by GarethRDR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Villa fans back to not understand giving someone time after a couple of losses. Will understand it after a couple of wins. if we get that couple of wins, when was the last time we got two wins in a row in the Prem? Lambert does deserve time and i was glad he joined us, you can see what he is trying to do, but how much worse can it get before it gets better. It is possible if Lambert had his prefered players available then we could probably comfortably sit mid (ish) table. But surely he and the staff at Villa must have known we would get the same amount of injuries this season as last, virtually every team in the premiership has 3-4 key players out injured at any given time. Why have we not learned this? Why have we not brought in more players than have sold to plug the gaps. Under Lambert the squad has not got bigger or really improved much, he has gambled three key defensive positions on youngsters, this became 5 when Vlaar got injured. Maybe January he will bring in another 9 players and half of those will be ready to improve us? Lambert's choices on loan: 4 players sold: 1 player released: 2 players long term injured: 2 players (Dunne being one) Total: 9 players brought in: Vlaar, Westwood, KEA, Lowton, Bennett, Benteke, Guzan, Holman, Bowery Total: 9 Players being driven out: Nzogbia, Bent, Ireland. Ireland has played but only when no other option - Lambert prefers Bannan and Westwood over him and he would play my mum rather than Bent if he could get away with it. Now I am not saying Lambert isn't right to do things his way, even if that means experienced players out on loan or not being played. But right now we need everyone we can get and I would welcome Hutton and Warnock back in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KjParton Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I would welcome Hutton and Warnock back in a heartbeat. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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