Kwan Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I think you might be able to constitute Houllier's time here as a "rebuild season" but he obviously couldn't stay healthy so that project was scrapped. That was followed by McLeish's desperate last gasp of terrible signings and utterly inept football. Lambert's the first fresh rebuild project in a sense that there's a whole new approach to the club. You could say that Houllier might have been able to do that had he been given a whole summer and his health stayed with him but unfortunately it didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Houllier would never have been as radical as lambert or have facilitated a one team all together atmosphere. Both of those things were desperately needed at this club. He was never the right man and looking back now with rosé tinted glasses on his time here is not right. As for Mcduff I think Lerner must have watched trading places the day he appointed him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted May 7, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted May 7, 2013 Houllier would never have been as radical as lambert or have facilitated a one team all together atmosphere. Both of those things were desperately needed at this club. He was never the right man and looking back now with rosé tinted glasses on his time here is not right. As for Mcduff I think Lerner must have watched trading places the day he appointed him You never had the soft spot for Houllier that you do for Lambert. Not having a preseason means Houllier was stuck with the likes of Warnock, Collins, Dunne and NRC. As for being radical - a common accusation was that he tried to do "too much too soon". If he had of been healthy, we would be looking at a different Villa now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Lamberts still got a lot to prove IMO. Yes hes better than the last 2 managers, yes he canspot a player, keep a tight dressing room, - But can he assemble a defence that can hold a lead longer than 15 minutes ? - Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaForever1970 Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 (edited) So, still a few very quiet in this thread.Fans in sweeping statements jumping the gun shocker! Edited May 8, 2013 by VillaForever1970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted May 7, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted May 7, 2013 well, looks like we'll have the same manager for two seasons first time in a little while 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I think Sylla is comfortably better than Delph. I think he's been key to our run of good games. Baker is our best CB by far I completely disagree on both statements, but then I've disagreed with you on Petrov, Reo-Coker and a whole host of others. We see the game very differently - fair enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 We'll never know what was to come of Houllier. Maybe he was still trying to recreate his team from old and wouldn't be able to keep up with modern football. Maybe he would have brought the continental game to Villa. Maybe he really was just a passenger. But I'm not going to predict what would have happened based on coming in late and then not being able to manage the team during the latter part of the season and never having his own summer transfer window to fully suss things out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 (edited) As a OGS booster last year I think it is fair to note I was probably wrong. Note Molde is bottom of the league over there this season after 7 games played... http://eurorivals.net/tables/norway.html Edited May 8, 2013 by ciggiesnbeer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuck Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 We'll never know what was to come of Houllier. Maybe he was still trying to recreate his team from old and wouldn't be able to keep up with modern football. Maybe he would have brought the continental game to Villa. Maybe he really was just a passenger. Dunno about that... history tells us that Houllier wasn't likely to foster a great dressing room/team spirit. He has a track record of pissing off a fair amount of players. His time had already passed when he came here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Lamberts still got a lot to prove IMO. Yes hes better than the last 2 managers, yes he canspot a player, keep a tight dressing room, - But can he assemble a defence that can hold a lead longer than 15 minutes ? - Time will tell. 16 minutes of time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Houllier would never have been as radical as lambert or have facilitated a one team all together atmosphere. Both of those things were desperately needed at this club. He was never the right man and looking back now with rosé tinted glasses on his time here is not right. As for Mcduff I think Lerner must have watched trading places the day he appointed him You never had the soft spot for Houllier that you do for Lambert. Never had a soft spot for him because he was, imo, obviously the wrong man for us on so many levels. I was lucky enough to meet him and Mcallister at a match we were all at and talk to both of them during the half time break and again at full time. Both came across as ok actually, nothing against them personally just not for us. Same as Mcleish, never met him but his appointment was just wrong plain wrong. Lambert I have met is a good bloke and is right for us. Part of the reason for that, although not all, is because he is excellent at building a team together atmosphere and this is something we have not had at the club since the days of Gregory I would suggest. Not even MON had that atmosphere as we are seeing it today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Agree what Lambert has shown, is basically to strip it and start again. He didn't look at names like McLeish, he looked at what was happening on the pitch. We could not afford to carry the likes of Ireland in this side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 I know this is crazy but why is Lambert even in the betting for the utd job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 I know this is crazy but why is Lambert even in the betting for the utd job? More chance than Robbie Fowler imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post praisedmambo Posted May 8, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted May 8, 2013 Lamberts still got a lot to prove IMO. Yes hes better than the last 2 managers, yes he canspot a player, keep a tight dressing room, - But can he assemble a defence that can hold a lead longer than 15 minutes ? - Time will tell. Bit cynical. I hate to point out that at times this season he has done as you request, whilst blooding a very young team, no less. Also, we have had awful defensive injuries this season. Basically, I think we have a great manager. 100% behind him, as I was from the start. I'm glad he's showing the promise he is at the moment because what he did at Norwich was hugely impressive and no fluke. I respect your right to holding reservations about him but to me Lambert is the perfect fit for this club. I hope I'm right, of course... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted May 8, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted May 8, 2013 Never had a soft spot for him because he was, imo, obviously the wrong man for us on so many levels. I was lucky enough to meet him and Mcallister at a match we were all at and talk to both of them during the half time break and again at full time. Both came across as ok actually, nothing against them personally just not for us. Same as Mcleish, never met him but his appointment was just wrong plain wrong. Lambert I have met is a good bloke and is right for us. Part of the reason for that, although not all, is because he is excellent at building a team together atmosphere and this is something we have not had at the club since the days of Gregory I would suggest. Not even MON had that atmosphere as we are seeing it today. I can't disagree with that. For a long time we looked like nothing more than a stepping stone for players to use as a move elsewhere, including under MON and Houllier. Kinda puts Barry's move into perspective - what more could we offer? Though you could argue he moved from one club lacking solidarity to another, just with more pay. I reckon players that love the club - Taylor, Merson, Laursen, Mellberg et al - are a necessary part of any sustained success. Good thing we still have Gabby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 I think Sylla is comfortably better than Delph. I think he's been key to our run of good games. Baker is our best CB by far How you think Baker is Better than Vlaar is beyond baffling. Simples. Vlaar gets caught out a lot more than Baker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 (edited) Houllier would never have been as radical as lambert or have facilitated a one team all together atmosphere. Both of those things were desperately needed at this club. He was never the right man and looking back now with rosé tinted glasses on his time here is not right. As for Mcduff I think Lerner must have watched trading places the day he appointed him Actually, in many ways I think Houllier's season with us has been almost mirrored this season with Lambert. Transition. Average/poor start, absolutely dreadful Christmas/new year period in which we found ourselves flirting with relegation before picking up towards the end of the season with some promising signs for the future. This season's basically been a more extreme version of 10/11. We've come a lot closer to relegation and at times been worse than we ever were under Houllier but at the same time there are some really promising signs that weren't there even toward the end of Houllier's reign. Obviously there are some key differences but both seasons have struck me as transition seasons. Last seaosn on the other hand was just dreadful with no redeeming features. I could see what Houllier was trying to do and I can see what Lambert is doing but I don't know what the **** McLeish was doing and I still can't get my head round that appointment. Edited May 8, 2013 by Mantis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Why aren't there any nawrich fans on here insisting Lambert is off to Everton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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