foreveryoung Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 We are in profit to date!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I go from wanting the manager out to wanting to give him more time. I do dread who our board would appoint as their record is absolutely dire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 We are in profit to date!! how do you make that out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 So 2011/12 Transfer balance sheet +20.600.800 £The whatty what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 how do you make that out? Not sure how its made up, but some reporter guy quoted it on sky sports chat and phil Thomson or Nicholls repeated it today on SSN. Its quoted as to date so not sure where we were start of season!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernova26 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 We'll show another loss this financial year. Although a smaller one than last. It's about wages not transfer fee's people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 We'll show another loss this financial year. Although a smaller one than last. It's about wages not transfer fee's people. We are no longer operating on a loss, if we were we would be well in the shit cause I think our average wage is now 25k. Only around 5 players left on high wages. I tell ya one thing, you are gonna win **** all with players on 20k or less, so maybe we belong in the championship!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Lowton - started well but awful now Bennett - dire KEA - just no Vlaar - think may be ok with a partner Benteke - enjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Too many old experienced players, not enough young legs in the team. Nice one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 for me changing the manager is not going to make a difference as a. if he wont back Lambert then he isnt going to back anybody else b. I couldnt see any manager available like Adkins and Di Matteo get anything more out of the players we have Mourinho or Fergie would struggle to improve this team 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Just read about Lambert completely ignoring questions from Matt Kendrick last night. Very unprofessional. His questions were apparently met with silence, 5 times. He needs to be careful, I suspect that kind of behaviour will alienate not just Matt, but other journalists as well. And as a manager you need friends in the media, especially the local media. It's at times like this that he needs a bit of support from Lerner. I can entirely understand why Lerner might be wary of the press and may not want to speak to them, but leaving the manager to front everything is just putting more pressure on Lambert. From what I can see, the Mail submitted six questions to Lerner and got no response. I assume that freezing out Kendrick at the press conference was related to this (a guess). If so, then it looks as though Lambert is being put in a difficult position, if the Mail try to ask him the questions which Lerner refuses to answer. The role of a leader in a crisis like this is to take pressure off the operational managers, let them concentrate on sorting things out. Fronting up the press stuff would be one way of helping to do that. Instead, Lerner seems to be content to pile on more pressure by abdicating his own responsibilities. That's very poor behaviour, and just makes things worse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 as much as I wasn't a huge fan of Collins we should have kept him as he could at least defend corners and was sometimes a threat from them, same with Cuellar who i'm sure would have taken a pay cut to stay at Villa. I have no issue with Warnock or Hutton being sold to generate funds for new players, but it didn't happen, so all the while we are paying their wages Lambert should have kept them as part of the squad and brought Lowton and Bennett in gradually. Sending them on loan to teams that will pay a tiny percentage of their wages is a joke. He still could bring them back into the fold, only stubborness and pride is stopping him. I really hope Dunne is fit enough to return for Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 If we survive this season and keep the players Lambert has purchased who will continue to play in the first team Guzan, Vlaar, Lowton, Benett, Westwood and Benteke, we will need a further five players in the summer of better quality than Herd, Stevens, Baker and so on just to basically stand still since Warnock, Hutton, Dunne, Ireland and Bent will probably be gone. Then if all of those senior players are released we will then have to bring in one or two more just to fill out the squad. Alternatively, it is still going to take one massive rebuilding job to even come back up from the Championship next season to replace those players that leave and you can probably include Benteke in that. Whatever way you look at it, Lerner is looking at an expenditure of close to 30m in the summer with maybe only a third of that coming back in player sales and we may need more players to deal with the amount of games in the Championship. So in the same way that our wage structure wasn't sustainable under O'Neill, Lerner's continued cost cutting exercise won't be sustainable in the Premiership or Championship and eventually he will have to spend to stop his investment from drowning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 The whatty what? Just saying the +/- figure for transfer fees for the listed transfers shows we took £20m more than we spent. - which in turn was spent by Lambert pre season. Also when it comes to the 'Downing money' or the 'Milner money', shouldn't the amount we paid for them be factored too. I'm just thinking when people moan about Lerner not putting in any dosh. I think sometimes it gets forgotten. depends on the context of the conversation really. If we add up all the in and subtract all the out fees since Lerner walked in the door we show a loss of -£97m. (a sizeable chunk of the reported £133m owed to him by the club) maybe i should refer to it as the same figure we received some time before from the sale of Stewart Downing I'll find a way of linking the sale of stewart downing to Lamberts transfer kitty if it kills me When are the next set of accounts due out? Would be nice to know exactly where we are on that front now, instead of all the hear say and educated guesses. Club will probably release a statement march / april / may time for 2011/2012. Does anyone know when the EUFA financial fair play rules are supposed to come in effect? I know we are opposing it along with Chelsea, Fulham and WBA. I'm not sure how much this has forced the clubs arm in dropping the wage bill. Im too cynical so i think if we aint turning a profit we cant make the loan repayments to the holding company! we carry the 4th highest debt of all the clubs after Man Utd obviously thanks to the Glaziers, Fulham and Newcastle. Ashley and Al Fayed have smaller interest repayments than randy though. at 90% of turnover our percentage of turnover spent on wages was the second highest in the league behind Man City unsurprisingly as they were the only club to show a defecit (114%) In contrast Man Utd (ok their turnover is HUGE) showed 46% of their turnover spent on wages. Not surprisingly 4 of the 5 clubs with the biggest turnovers back the new proposals (Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuleAthon Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Club decision. Not managers. Whoah. What?! The club are abandoning the Mail rather than accept their right (arguably a responsibility) to ask difficult questions? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And I am not in the least bit surprised by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Just saying the +/- figure for transfer fees for the listed transfers...Which shows bugger all really (not even the cash flow, I'd guess, as it would appear that very few transfers are paid in full on transfer of registration). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyClarke Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Club decision. Not managers. That is disgraceful if true and it appears Lambert is being hung out to dry when this mess is largely the clubs making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) So 2011/12 Transfer balance sheet +20.600.800 £ (The ONLY time under Lerner we've received more than we spent) The only time? Apart from the previous year you mean, when we sold Milner and Young? And the season before that the net spend was £3m. Edited January 26, 2013 by Davkaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) All over fb and my twitter he has been sacked? **edit looks to have started from one source and snowballed so most likely bollocks** Edited January 26, 2013 by jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo69 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 All over fb and my twitter he has been sacked? **edit looks to have started from one source and snowballed so most likely bollocks** Funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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