drat01 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I am genuinely laughing at your comment now Stefan and the irony of you trying to make it into some sort of fantastic stat (3 matches) Out of curiosity who are top of this league now? I notice that pointing out its not that awesome is apparently a negative :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Lambert has to go. His football is dull -after being the manager for a year and a half we have ended up relying on Tonev and Albrighton to provide the main supply to our strikers! Shocking really. The latest transfer window was poor with few signings impressing on a consistent basis and money wasted on another striker when we're short in other parts of the team. The style of football has got far worse and the team looks disjointed. Time for a change of manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobler Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 So because other teams don't particularly have a great record from coming from behind this season (because the top teams are taking control of games early and keeping hold of it), and we happen to have one of the better ones, at the moment (2 wins and 1 draw out of the sixteen games we've played) from a losing positions, we are the comeback kings? It's not a particularly impressive stat, really. I'm happy in a sense that we are able to come from behind, on occasions, and not completely fold but this is the last comment now, It doesn't confirm for me that Lambert has instilled a never say die mentality into this squad and that is my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobler Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Can't really be bothered to go on with this any longer, really. It's fairly subjective if you think particular players are giving it their all. I'll weigh up the stats at the end of the season and if we've amassed more points than everyone else from losing positions I'll say fair enough but I just can't see a squad that has any more desire or fight than any one else. In fact the last few games have shown the opposite. Not that I'm not saying players aren't trying, just not at all seeing this never say die business. Well my point was purely in your post about not being the comeback kings. Statistically speaking at this point in time we are. You can't move the goalpost to the end of the season to judge something that doesn't suit your argument now. Because I don't see that stat as being the be all and end all of proof that the squad is hugely united, with an incredible desire to never lose a football game and fighting for everything, particularly after just sixteen games. Is that what you're really seeing in the performances? I'm not seeing it, that's all. That was the original point I was responding to. That's fair and I agree to an extent, but I think that stat shows we perhaps have a little more character than we give credit for. I agree about the character and that's why I said that I believe the squad is mentally stronger this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Here's the tablePoints recovered table Wow we've recovered the same number of points as Stoke - offer Lambert a new contract! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 16, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) I am genuinely laughing at your comment now Stefan and the irony of you trying to make it into some sort of fantastic stat (3 matches) Out of curiosity who are top of this league now? I notice that pointing out its not that awesome is apparently a negative :-) Why does, what is a positive stat, have to be manipulated into a negative? I'm glad you find it so funny because you clearly can't bring yourself to be cheerful about anything else Villa related. So because other teams don't particularly have a great record from coming from behind this season (because the top teams are taking control of games early and keeping hold of it), and we happen to have one of the better ones, at the moment (2 wins and 1 draw out of the sixteen games we've played) from a losing positions, we are the comeback kings? It's not a particularly impressive stat, really. I'm happy in a sense that we are able to come from behind, on occasions, and not completely fold but this is the last comment now, It doesn't confirm for me that Lambert has instilled a never say die mentality into this squad and that is my opinion. Ah, so it's the other teams not being good at coming back rather than us being good at it? Quite Lambert has to go. His football is dull -after being the manager for a year and a half we have ended up relying on Tonev and Albrighton to provide the main supply to our strikers! Shocking really. The latest transfer window was poor with few signings impressing on a consistent basis and money wasted on another striker when we're short in other parts of the team. The style of football has got far worse and the team looks disjointed. Time for a change of manager. And the new manager is going to have big money to spend on wages? Who would you get in to replace him who'd work under the same restrictions? Edited December 16, 2013 by StefanAVFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 The comeback kings were always in the game against Man United. I bet they were really nervous going into the closing stages with our never say die (We go again) attitude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 No, it's the fact that other teams don't get into losing positions as often as we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted December 16, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2013 Lambert has to go. His football is dull -after being the manager for a year and a half we have ended up relying on Tonev and Albrighton to provide the main supply to our strikers! Shocking really. The latest transfer window was poor with few signings impressing on a consistent basis and money wasted on another striker when we're short in other parts of the team. The style of football has got far worse and the team looks disjointed. Time for a change of manager. Easy to say. Who would you replace him with? Who is there that can work with sod all money and get us above mid table playing attractive football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 16, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) No, it's the fact that other teams don't get into losing positions as often as we do. Yet we already have the same amount of clean sheets as we did all season last year. Didn't Lambert get crucified for that on here? I'm glad he's tried to sort that out. Shows progress doesn't it? Edited December 16, 2013 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Does anyone think it will end well with lambert ? By end well, I mean what ? Securing 16th place by April ? Dire football with second rate cloggers ? Where is this going ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 And the new manager is going to have big money to spend on wages? Who would you get in to replace him who'd work under the same restrictions? The first question would be best answered by the finance director. I have no preference on who should replace Lambert but I'm sure the club could draw up a shortlist of more than worthy candidates. Hopefully the new manager will try and entertain the paying customers rather than putting them to sleep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmarsha_926 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Points difference for this season and last 9 of those teams below us spent more than us in the window, also we only had 20 points after 24 games, so in essence we have 9 games to get the 3 points we need to be in a better situation than we was last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobler Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I am genuinely laughing at your comment now Stefan and the irony of you trying to make it into some sort of fantastic stat (3 matches) Out of curiosity who are top of this league now? I notice that pointing out its not that awesome is apparently a negative :-) Why does, what is a positive stat, have to be manipulated into a negative? I'm glad you find it so funny because you clearly can't bring yourself to be cheerful about anything else Villa related. So because other teams don't particularly have a great record from coming from behind this season (because the top teams are taking control of games early and keeping hold of it), and we happen to have one of the better ones, at the moment (2 wins and 1 draw out of the sixteen games we've played) from a losing positions, we are the comeback kings? It's not a particularly impressive stat, really. I'm happy in a sense that we are able to come from behind, on occasions, and not completely fold but this is the last comment now, It doesn't confirm for me that Lambert has instilled a never say die mentality into this squad and that is my opinion. Ah, so it's the other teams not being good at coming back rather than us being good at it? Quite Wow. It's pretty simple, if you're a good team that is able to control a game you'll be much less likely to be in losing positions, hence needing to come back. It's really not difficult to work out. If you honestly, in your wildest dreams think that coming from behind to beat two teams and drawing another out of the sixteen currently played is an impressive stat, well I don't even know what to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 16, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2013 And the new manager is going to have big money to spend on wages? Who would you get in to replace him who'd work under the same restrictions? The first question would be best answered by the finance director. I have no preference on who should replace Lambert but I'm sure the club could draw up a shortlist of more than worthy candidates. Hopefully the new manager will try and entertain the paying customers rather than putting them to sleep. Ah, so you're willing to make the decision for him to go, but you have absolutely no solution or ideas for his replacement. Fairly apt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Who is there that can work with sod all money and get us above mid table playing attractive football? Lambert has had money to spend and has spent a lot of it quite badly. Lambert has got us to being a bottom half of the premier league team playing poor football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Papillon Posted December 16, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) The points from a losing position is basically worth nothing. I mean, does it mean we are good at fighting back, does it mean we often let in goals before scoring ourselves? The only thing that matters if of course the league table. Besides, two wins and a draw, is that enough to draw conclusions at all? In football you often win or at least draw if you score first, even more important for teams like ours. Chelsea can afford to let in goals because they have world-class players to take the lead back. Arsenal have been excellent this season and have not had the chance to play pick-up, and that throws them back in this supposed worthwhile table. Sure they lost 1-0 away at Old Trafford and lost 6-3 at Etihad, but does that mean that Villa have players with better willpower compared to their guys? Of course not. The truth is probably close to the fact that clubs like Villa often let in goals against lesser teams and then you go on and see what happens during the 90 minutes. Taking the lead is never a guarantee for a club like Stoke, Villa, West Ham, Sunderland and the lot, mainly because we seldom keep a clean sheet. Chelsea (3rd in the real table), we are 2nd (11th), Stoke are 4th (13th), Arsenal are 16th (1st) and so on. So what, we took back a few points after going down in matches, for example Arsenal away on the first day of the season. What worries me more is that we let in goals before the ball has even been kicked, not trying to find solace in a worthless table showing us on top. If there were a table showing which side has the most throw-ins and we lead, then someone on here would bring it up as a positive. Oh I just came over the table showing teams scoring first; and to my huge surprise we are dead last. This table proves some value as well, because the teams on top and teams at the bottom look much like the real table; Arsenal on top followed by Liverpool, Everton etc. We are bottom behind Cardiff, West Ham and WBA. We do however top the table for when we score first, because then we have won 3/3! So the morale here? Stop looking at worthless statistics and score the first goal, that usually gives the team the advantage We score in 50% of our matches, that is an important statistic we have to do better. Edited December 16, 2013 by Papillon 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Ah, so you're willing to make the decision for him to go, but you have absolutely no solution or ideas for his replacement. Fairly apt. I'm not making the decision for him to go - I'm expressing an opinion that I would like him to leave. Tad different! As for the other point as advised it is not my job to find his replacement! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmarsha_926 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 we are the 5th most progressed team compared to after 16 games from last season out of the 17 teams that have played both season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 16, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) Who is there that can work with sod all money and get us above mid table playing attractive football? Lambert has had money to spend and has spent a lot of it quite badly. Lambert has got us to being a bottom half of the premier league team playing poor football. And yet another simplistic opinion that doesn't even begin to address the job that Lambert is doing. You conveniently forget to mention the wage restrictions he has, or is that fabricated? He isn't doing the best job in the world, but by the same token, he isn't doing the worst job either. Pssst, also we were bottom half before Lambert came in so I'm not sure you can have a go at him for that. People were moaning when we were leaking goals left, right and centre last year. We already have the same amount of clean sheets as last season with less than half the season gone (16 games). The same people are now moaning that we have a shit playing style. When will people be happy? Genuine question. Ah, so you're willing to make the decision for him to go, but you have absolutely no solution or ideas for his replacement. Fairly apt. I'm not making the decision for him to go - I'm expressing an opinion that I would like him to leave. Tad different! As for the other point as advised it is not my job to find his replacement! But you can't have it both ways! Complete cop out IMO. Edited December 16, 2013 by StefanAVFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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