spiezels Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Guzan all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted December 30, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted December 30, 2012 Have you ever sat behind the goal with Given in it? Or Guzan for that matter? His mouth barely opens when setting up a wall? https://www.youtube....1u5zYOKI How you described Given, which I very much disagree with (Given has been a top keeper for over 10 years) is exactly what Guzan is doing now. Given was never one for the media, so I'm not sure where that's coming from. 15 goals in 3 games is not near good enough I'm afraid. I said he barely opens his mouth when he sets up a free kick as a slightly humourous way of saying he doesn't talk to his defenders much generally. As for the media, I'm talking about the teams he's been associated with, mainly the Geordies but theres also long been the Irish lobby behind him to. The Geordies are beloved by the media and that gave Given a limelight that only shone all the brighter on him with Newcastle being so poor defensively for years that even a crap keeper would be bale to make a few saves from the camera (something Shay has never been above anyway). A considerable section of the Irish fanbase also liked playing him up and the media was happy to lap that up and spout it back out too. Thus he garnered a reputation as being better than he really ever was, because week in week out MOTD was showing Newcastle getting tonked and him pulling off 15 saves and Sky was sucking him off every Geordie game they showed. He has never organised his defence, he stands there with his mouth welded shut 90 minutes at a time, never leaving his line leaving his defence to deal with everything. Even doing a Friedel/Guzan esque 'AWAY' whenever the ball comes to the box helps as it tells your defenders 'Don't rely on me to get it, you need to'. Given doesn't. When he does come off his line he is hopeless with anything in the air (I genuinely cannot remember him catching a cross, ever) and he also must surely be the most lobbed keeper in the league, I seem to remember him having a couple of years at the end of his time with the Geordies where he got lobbed about 5 times a season and it's happened a fair bit since. I've never believed he's that good of a keeper. He's a shot stopper and little more, and even his reactions have gone now. We were idiots to buy him and pay him like we do, and he'd solve nothing now. Not that anything needs solving, Guzan's one of the few bright lights at the moment. Possibly only bright light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Given is a has been and should never have been brought in on a ridiculously long contract. Hopefully, there will be some mug out there (come on Harry, you know you want another keeper) who will take him off our hands in January. Guzan has been fine and is far more vocal than given credit for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 If the defence let a striker go streight through them you can't blame Guzan if the striker scores ?! What we need is a steadieng influnce at the back and to play 4 at the back NOT 3 as we have done against Chelski,Spurs and Wigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 So how did he do? I'm a massive fan of Guzan but I'm wondering if Given's experience made any difference today? I don't ask that as a rhetorical question, I didn't actually see the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Couple of top class saves today. Did well but looks very small in comparison to Guzan. Some of his kicking was a bit dodgy at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KjParton Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Given is a shot stopper. and today he did that on 2/3 occasions. His kicking is still shite. Especially after pass backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beasley14 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Played really well today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy_Evergo Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 It's the one position that we don't need to worry about at present. Either are capable of doing a job and keep each other honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I feel he is best as our number 2 and will be sold in the summer IMO. He still has 2 cup runs he still needs to play a big part in though and to be fair on him if we make the lge cup final then he should keep his place and not dropped like Guzan was in our last final. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) Did Given have his arm in a sling on the AVTV interview? Edited January 6, 2013 by Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockStockVilla Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Did Given have his arm in a sling on the AVTV interview? Nah mate, think it was just a bag/satchel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Nah mate, think it was just a bag/satchel Ah, only seen the thumbnail and though it was a sling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ooh-Ah Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Bearing in mind what happened the last time we made the League Cup final, how unlucky for Guzan would it be if we got to the final and Lambert stuck with Given? (Very.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 6, 2013 Moderator Share Posted January 6, 2013 I think Guzan will play on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockStockVilla Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) I think it will be Given still for the Cup. Will be interesting if we do make the final though, what the mindset of Guzan would be. Obviously it must have hurt big to have been dropped for the final a few years back, and a part of me wonders if Guzan would even step aside and tell Lambert to let Given play it, knowing how much it sucked from experience. Very unlikely, I know, but just a thought. Edited January 6, 2013 by LockStockVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Guzan will play in the League Cup Final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 We're not in the League Cup final yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I don't recall saying that we was in the League Cup Final. However, just for clarification, I will amend my comment. I believe that Guzan will play in the League Cup Final if we manage (over 2 legs) to beat a team that are 3 divisions below us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I never said it's unlikely that we'll make it. I fully expect us to make it, but saying "Guzan will play in the final" kind of implies it's a certainty. Thankfully I think Lambert will make sure the players don't approach the games with a complacent attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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