HanoiVillan Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Yeah there is that but then I guess Sherwood can say he didn't pick the team so its not like he was the one giving given the chance. If anything I'd hope Sherwood would pick the players based on what he sees in training this week. I'm sure he will - but then there's no guarantee that Guzan has been better in training, is there? I just don't see why everyone is getting so het up in this thread - he'll pick the team he wants to pick. Then we watch, see how it goes over 90 mins, and then work out where to go from there. Everyone seems determined to get upset about things that not only haven't turned out badly, but haven't even yet happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Yeah there is that but then I guess Sherwood can say he didn't pick the team so its not like he was the one giving given the chance. If anything I'd hope Sherwood would pick the players based on what he sees in training this week. I'm sure he will - but then there's no guarantee that Guzan has been better in training, is there? I just don't see why everyone is getting so het up in this thread - he'll pick the team he wants to pick. Then we watch, see how it goes over 90 mins, and then work out where to go from there. Everyone seems determined to get upset about things that not only haven't turned out badly, but haven't even yet happened. I didn't say Guzan would be better in training. What i'm saying is it would make more sense for Sherwood to pick his team based on what he sees in training rather than one cup game, whether it be Guzan or Given that starts. Also I don't think anybody is getting het up. They are just pointing out that Given hasn't done anything to displace Guzan. Edited February 19, 2015 by sexbelowsound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Given is a better shot stopper. Guzan is better at commanding his area and collecting crosses. Guzan has been disappointing for me this season. (who hasnt though..) I would pick Given on form but long term its obviously Guzan.. do you maybe pick Given for a little while till he drops form and risk upsetting Guzan? Tough call. Not as clear cut as some may believe. It's not a remotely tough call. Given isn't fit to lace Guzan's boots Guzan is not in good form.. so yes i disagree with you. Guzan is hardly in bad form. How many goals has he cost us directly compared with the upset bringing shay in would cause to the defence? Too many people don't have the first clue about goalkeeping on these sites. Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I don't really rate Guzan all that much. yeah, poor goalkeeper Eh? *Sarcasm* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Given is a better shot stopper. Guzan is better at commanding his area and collecting crosses. Guzan has been disappointing for me this season. (who hasnt though..) I would pick Given on form but long term its obviously Guzan.. do you maybe pick Given for a little while till he drops form and risk upsetting Guzan? Tough call. Not as clear cut as some may believe. It's not a remotely tough call. Given isn't fit to lace Guzan's boots Guzan is not in good form.. so yes i disagree with you. Guzan is hardly in bad form. How many goals has he cost us directly compared with the upset bringing shay in would cause to the defence? Too many people don't have the first clue about goalkeeping on these sites. Christ. The amount of patronising that goes on in these sites is incredible, especially from someone who states the bit I have highlighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Shay Given time at Villa and its been topsy turvy to say the least MOTM on debut player of season shocking Euro 2012 dropped bad cup semi final bomb squad loaned out assistant manager potentially another cup semi final 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 19, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 19, 2015 I'd debate that he had a bad semi final vs Bradford. I've always said I don't think he did much wrong. Certainly couldn't have helped any of the goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 i meant the semi final was bad in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killeen30 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Given is a better shot stopper. Guzan is better at commanding his area and collecting crosses. Guzan has been disappointing for me this season. (who hasnt though..) I would pick Given on form but long term its obviously Guzan.. do you maybe pick Given for a little while till he drops form and risk upsetting Guzan? Tough call. Not as clear cut as some may believe. Sorry? You'd pick Given on form, from one game? That's a joke. Guzan has been brilliant for the most part of nearly three years now and you'd pick Given on form? Seeing him make a top class save in the cup does not mean he should be replacing Guzan. Guzan has still been one of our best performers this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Guzan should definitely retain his place, but in my opinion Given is an excellent back up keeper to have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killeen30 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Of course he is, the key being 'back up'. I still have a nasty feeling that Given will be picked on Saturday as ever since the final whistle was blown in the FA Cup game against Leicester he's been talking up he want to be in the starting eleven. Which of course, he has ever right to let the new manager know he wants to fight Brad for the spot. Edited February 19, 2015 by Killeen30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 If Given starts I'll be irritated regardless of whether we win or not (though I'll be buzzing for days before it sets in!). Given isn't what he used to be. Guzan is the much better keeper and hasn't 'lost' his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 The amount of patronising that goes on in these sites is incredible, especially from someone who states the bit I have highlighted. What I said is true. Guzan is streets ahead of Given for a team like Villa because he's commanding. Shay isnt, nor has he ever been. He looks great on MOTD and pulls off worldies for fun, but he's NOT what a team at the bottom needs from their last line of defence. He's too quiet, he's poor on crosses and he's especially weak at set pieces. If we were top 6-8, with a defence to match, there'd be vastly different criteria, but when you're where we are you do not replace someone like Guzan with someone like Given Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted February 20, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 20, 2015 VT is always good for a laugh. Given pulls off a blinding save and people forget the rest. Guzan is head and shoulders above Given. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Yeah there is that but then I guess Sherwood can say he didn't pick the team so its not like he was the one giving given the chance. If anything I'd hope Sherwood would pick the players based on what he sees in training this week. I'm sure he will - but then there's no guarantee that Guzan has been better in training, is there? I just don't see why everyone is getting so het up in this thread - he'll pick the team he wants to pick. Then we watch, see how it goes over 90 mins, and then work out where to go from there. Everyone seems determined to get upset about things that not only haven't turned out badly, but haven't even yet happened. I didn't say Guzan would be better in training. What i'm saying is it would make more sense for Sherwood to pick his team based on what he sees in training rather than one cup game, whether it be Guzan or Given that starts. Also I don't think anybody is getting het up. They are just pointing out that Given hasn't done anything to displace Guzan. Hmmm. If Given starts I'll be irritated regardless of whether we win or not (though I'll be buzzing for days before it sets in!). Given isn't what he used to be. Guzan is the much better keeper and hasn't 'lost' his place. Given is a better shot stopper. Guzan is better at commanding his area and collecting crosses. Guzan has been disappointing for me this season. (who hasnt though..) I would pick Given on form but long term its obviously Guzan.. do you maybe pick Given for a little while till he drops form and risk upsetting Guzan? Tough call. Not as clear cut as some may believe. Sorry? You'd pick Given on form, from one game? That's a joke. Guzan has been brilliant for the most part of nearly three years now and you'd pick Given on form? Given is a better shot stopper. Guzan is better at commanding his area and collecting crosses. Guzan has been disappointing for me this season. (who hasnt though..) I would pick Given on form but long term its obviously Guzan.. do you maybe pick Given for a little while till he drops form and risk upsetting Guzan? Tough call. Not as clear cut as some may believe. It's not a remotely tough call. Given isn't fit to lace Guzan's boots Guzan is not in good form.. so yes i disagree with you. Guzan is hardly in bad form. How many goals has he cost us directly compared with the upset bringing shay in would cause to the defence? Too many people don't have the first clue about goalkeeping on these sites. Christ. Here's an idea - why don't we all wait until he names the teamsheet before we start having conniptions? Or an even better idea - wait until the game is finished, and we've seen the performance of whoever the goalie was? Edited February 20, 2015 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Given is a better shot stopper. Guzan is better at commanding his area and collecting crosses. Guzan has been disappointing for me this season. (who hasnt though..)I would pick Given on form but long term its obviously Guzan.. do you maybe pick Given for a little while till he drops form and risk upsetting Guzan?Tough call. Not as clear cut as some may believe.Sorry? You'd pick Given on form, from one game? That's a joke. Guzan has been brilliant for the most part of nearly three years now and you'd pick Given on form?Seeing him make a top class save in the cup does not mean he should be replacing Guzan. Guzan has still been one of our best performers this season.I think guzan isn't on top of his game.. just like outfield players when they are not in form they get dropped. For the record I wouldn't upset guzan as he's our long term keeper by dropping him but he does need some pressure. The overreaction in this thread is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanO Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Given did well but Guzan is our No.1 and I would be very surprised to see that change any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I think Guzans been under par this season. Some bad mistakes, awful delivery at times. I think its fair to give Given a chance now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 20, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) I think Guzans been under par this season. Some bad mistakes, awful delivery at times. I think its fair to give Given a chance now. Nonsense, imo of course. Edited February 20, 2015 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I have to say I wouldn't be against Given starting this weekend. If we're going to be launching balls up to Benteke, Guzan hasn't shown any sort of good delivery at all this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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