R.Bear Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) I still cannot believe we gave this waste of space a 5 year contract What makes him a 'waste of space' exactly? He was a great keeper and the club gave him (and others) a big contract. What was he going to say? "Hang on Mr Faulkner, you buffoon. Five years is a bit much." The club realised that what they were doing was unsustainable so they changed their ethos, freezing him and a lot of other high-earners out. Granted he under-performed for us but he still made an incredible save at the Hawthorns that more or less kept us in the league. His attitude has never once been called into question by anyone, and everyone agrees that he's a really nice guy. Did he once kick up a fuss about being dropped? I've no doubt that he has been a massively positive influence behind the scenes since Day 1. I for one hope he gets a permanent role at the club regardless of what happens this summer. No call for this random comment IMO. He was a goalkeeper clearly past his best. He was dropped very quickly for Joe Hart despite not being at City very long. So we give a 35 year old a 5 year contract when he was already in decline. He was ok for us in the first season but made those familiar mistakes and showed those familiar weaknesses we had become accustomed too. He was abysmal at Euro 2012 and it was obvious even then that he was finished. We persevere and sure enough, he starts the season being at fault for virtually every goal we concede. He gets dropped thank goodness. Did he kick up a fuss? No he didnt. But neither would anyone else when getting paid silly wages with 4 years left on your contract. No decent club would've touched him with the form he was in and definitely not pay him as much or give him such a contract. What a hero for not kicking up a fuss, sitting around doing nothing and getting paid a fortune. Was it his fault he got such a silly contract? No. But i'm certainly not going to give him any props for being content to sit there. In fact, what fuss could he have kicked up? "Boss I know I'm in the worst form of my career with no confidence but play me or I'm outta here." Yeah I bet we'd have been distraught to get him off the wage bill. So he's a nice guy? I dont give a shit. I want to see Villa players playing well for the team, I'm not too concerned what they are like off the pitch. I dont care if they dress in womens clothing or let their girlfriends stick dildos up their arse, if they do it in the shirt then I will respect and admire them. By all accounts he isnt but if Stephen Ireland was a nice guy, would it redeem the fact that he is a lazy, greedy, unambitious fool who did nothing for us? No. Edited May 20, 2014 by R.Bear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limvillian Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) I dont care if they dress in womens clothing or let their girlfriends stick dildos up their arse, if they do it in the shirt then I will respect and admire them. Hmmmmmmm Edited May 20, 2014 by limvillian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted May 20, 2014 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2014 The difference is that Ireland was lazy and didn't give his all for the club. Given did. Fair enough he wasn't good enough. That's not his fault. There's nothing to suggest he was anything other than totally professional. Its nothing to do with him being a nice bloke. He could eat babies in his spare time for all I care, if he turns up and does his best then you can't complain, IMO. Given gave us an excellent season, was dropped for a better keeper but has stood in admirably when called upon, and again I'll mention that he's stepped into a coaching role that, if he was so happy to just sit around picking up wages, he'd have surely turned down? Shay's a good 'un. Past his best, on an outrageous contract. But that's not his fault. If Lambert for some reason turned around tomorrow and said "Shay, I want you to see out your contract and I want you to play every game" you know that he would, and he'd give it his all. That's all you can ask of any player whether they're paid 100 grand a week or 100 pound a week 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted May 20, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted May 20, 2014 I dont care if they dress in womens clothing or let their girlfriends stick dildos up their arse, if they do it in the shirt then I will respect and admire them. Hmmmmmmm Do they do a wipe clean keepers shirt these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I thought the one season he was number one here, he was one of our bet players and definitely helped keep us up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamsonwoodVillan Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Given's save late in the game at West Brom in the last 2 or 3 games of McLeish's season kept us up. No doubt in my mind had that gone in and we'd lost that game right at the end, we'd have been relegated. He's been a good servant for us. Don't really know where he goes from here though, moving to Villa has ended his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Given's save late in the game at West Brom in the last 2 or 3 games of McLeish's season kept us up. No doubt in my mind had that gone in and we'd lost that game right at the end, we'd have been relegated. He's been a good servant for us. Don't really know where he goes from here though, moving to Villa has ended his career. As we are still paying his considerable wages - surely he performs a coaching role - we don't pay to recruit another coach, he gets coaching experience... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Given's save late in the game at West Brom in the last 2 or 3 games of McLeish's season kept us up. No doubt in my mind had that gone in and we'd lost that game right at the end, we'd have been relegated. He's been a good servant for us. Don't really know where he goes from here though, moving to Villa has ended his career. think he won man of the match on his debut at Fulham, again maybe not important at time but that point arguably kept us up as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Might be worth keeping him as 2nd choice and coach. Send Steer out on loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybofalbion Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 So is Given staying as a coach this season or what... ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottle Maker Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) As Might be worth keeping him as 2nd choice and coach. Send Steer out on loan He kept 10 clean sheets from 16 game at Middlesbrough last season so is still a half decent Keeper. If the club is paying his wages they should try and get as much value as possible.. If Steer can be sent out on loan where he is number one keeper for a season it can only improve him making a better second keeper for next season. Shay made some howlers but he also made some amazing reflex saves and I thought he was good at controlling the back four, maybe this is nor as important now the captain plays CD. Edited July 12, 2014 by Bottle Maker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 The problem is that nobody else will pay him the sort of wage he's earning with us.....and he's on that for 2 more years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottle Maker Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 The problem is that nobody else will pay him the sort of wage he's earning with us.....and he's on that for 2 more years! Then surely it is better we use him as second keeper and let Steer gain experience for a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decavfc Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I do agree with the suggestion of keeping given as number 2 and having steer out on loan to get some first team football. It all depends it given is happy to play 2nd choice, or if he wants to cut his losses and go be first choice somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_ Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Could loan steer to Blackpool they only have 8 players and no gk, championship too so not too low level! Then use given as first team competition and coach as said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 It makes me want to cry when I think of the deal we did for this guy. Imagine who/what we could bring in for this same deal! The person(s) responsible for this deal need never again to work anywhere where they have responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Just seen he is back in the Ireland team. Wonder why he has changed his mind to play again? Is he coaching this yr still as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Just seen he is back in the Ireland team. Wonder why he has changed his mind to play again? Is he coaching this yr still as well? Keane. I don't believe he is no. Information on our coaching staff appears a little sketchy. This is the best I could find but I'm not sure if it is complete - http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/WhosWho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny_Villaman84 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) Just seen he is back in the Ireland team. Wonder why he has changed his mind to play again? Is he coaching this yr still as well? Keane. I don't believe he is no. Information on our coaching staff appears a little sketchy. This is the best I could find but I'm not sure if it is complete - http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/WhosWho i think last time i heard that Andy Marshall is our goalkeeper coach cover Terry Gennoe was seriously illness (no give detail what he is illness) correct me please if i was wrong about Terry Gennoe illness? .. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-andy-marshall-back-7403447 Edited September 4, 2014 by Danny_Villaman84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Off to Newcastle if they get this emergency loan I reckon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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