PaulC Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Whatever people think about him he's a winner. He was never fancied to get the Republican nomination let alone the Presidency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 1 minute ago, PaulC said: Whatever people think about him he's a winner. He was never fancied to get the Republican nomination let alone the Presidency. Very true. Taking away the political views (I know I know) fair play to him did what some would think is impossible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 1 minute ago, PaulC said: Whatever people think about him he's a winner. He was never fancied to get the Republican nomination let alone the Presidency. Pretty much a loser in some ways. He has a string of business failures behind him, and he's now worth less than if he had simply put in a savings bank the vast fortune he inherited and watched the interest roll in. But his supporters seem to think he's some kind of master of commerce. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, villa4europe said: get used to that...something tells me in 4 years time people will be asking where this wall is I've never done the research to see and with tv and social media its kind of lost now but i'd be interested to know in which states trump made all of his claims ie id expect the mexican quotes to be made in somewhere like arizona or texas, the muslim quotes to be made in the north east etc he's played a very good game i think there are 2 glimmers of hope 1) i expect him to actually know his weaknesses but not declare them, he'll build a very good team around him (although sarah palin getting a high flying role might change my opinion on that) 2) half of what he's said was said in effect in order to win votes and what we wont see is how he behaves behind closed doors, i think he knows his audience, in front of a crowd of his fans he'll put his routine on, sat in a climate change meeting with all the world leaders he wont Surely, if a sufficient amount of the Trump vote is the result of a sense of disenfrachisement, people wanting 'change' and people being frustrated at how their current leaders have behaved (not what you've posted but a theme that seems to have run through comments about why the vote has gone his way, in part) then won't this just make things worse and merely make those people even more angry? Perhaps we ought to fear less the Trump of 20th January and immediately after and more the Trump that might come later. If, immediately, he does none of the more extreme things that he has spoken about and relies purely upon implementing protectionist economic policies and hoping that this brings prosperity somehow then a year or two down the line it's quite possible that there are going to be even more problems. Edited November 9, 2016 by snowychap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 ballot measures if anyones interested - arkansas, florida, montana and north dakota all voted for medicinal marijuana, california, maine, Massachusetts and nevada all voted for recreational marijuana colorado, arizona, maine and washington all voted for minimum wage increases, north dakota voted against lowering the age nevada, california and washington have increased their gun controls, washington have voted for the ability to take peoples guns off them oklahoma kept the death penalty, nebraska voted to bring it back! florida rejected the ability of homeowners to sell electricity generated from solar panels etc, washington rejected a carbon tax, colorado rejected universal health care, they also had a vote on euthanasia but i havent seen that result california voted for bilingual education DC have voted to become the 51st state not seen the results yet but LA had a vote on how much to invest on helping homeless people ($1.2bn set aside for them) whilst san francisco had a vote to ban homeless people sleeping in tents on the street! california had a vote on pornstars wearing condoms, 18 states had votes on hunting and fishing restrictions which i think have been absolutely battered, san diego voted for no new chargers stadium so they will be leaving and finally after recently watching the brilliant 13th documentary on netflix the results arent in yet but colorado are apparently rejecting the vote to remove "There shall never be in this state either slavery or involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime" from their state law, means that they will continue making license plates for 10 cents an hour 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, peterms said: Awol, some people think that fewer people will die in the Middle East under a Trump presidency than would have died under Clinton, because he will be less interventionist despite all the mouth. What's your take on that? I think Clinton was ready to impose a no fly zone in Syria and start a shooting war with Russia & Iran. Trump won't so that's probably a good thing. Beyond that I guess it depends entirely on who his foreign policy team will be & whether he's really prepared to realign US alliances. Very hard to say whether a US disengagement would encourage more conflict as former partners lean in to regional disorder or the opposite. The US navy did a big drill here a few weeks ago to practice evacuating their nationals. Quite surreal walking on the beach with my lad with Marines and hovercraft buzzing around - he thought it was great! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, snowychap said: If, immediately, he does none of the more extreme things that he has spoken about and relies purely upon implementing protectionist economic policies and hoping that this brings prosperity somehow then a year or two down the line it's quite possible that there are going to be even more problems. One interesting thing is that he has promised big investment in infrastructure, and has also made comments suggesting that he understands that a country with a sovereign fiat currency can choose to invest at will, rather than going along with this nonsense about "there's no money". If he actually follows that through, it might prompt some useful discussion about the unused powers of government, and the political choices we make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Straggler Posted November 9, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2016 The results of this election and the Brexit vote have really begun to shift my opinion on humanity as a whole. I've had the good fortune to travel round a lot of the world and found kindness and good people everywhere I went. Living abroad too gave me a real sensation that in the main people are generous and fair minded. The world as it stands today feels more like the below the line comments on a Youtube video being expressed out loud. All those keyboard warriors that I had always thought were not serious and would not dream of saying what they write in a real conversation IRL, or were such a minority suddenly had a voice just like theirs running for president of the USA. It turns out that there are enough people who either agree with these sentiments, or are at least prepared to ignore them, to make him president. I totally get the idea that the little guy is getting a raw deal at the moment. Big business and lobbying groups are using the world as their personal playground forcing the rest of us to clean up the mess they leave and pay for the services they use but refuse to contribute towards. I know how it feels because I am one of the little guys with no power and no representation of what I want in the corridors of power. I pay my taxes, I worry about my mortgage, I worry about my bills and as the economy tanks, the share price of my employer drops away I worry about my job as I see people getting laid off all around me. The Liberals in the UK represent as closely as any party do what I want to see from my representatives and I can't stand them either (the sniveling performance as part of the last coalition has turned me right off them) But to get from not liking how things are today to voting for the hate fueled rhetoric of the likes of Trump and Farage boggles my mind. Yes they represent something different, but aside from that wtf have they got to offer? Trump is a liar. He was trotting along at north of 80% of what he was saying as untrue in the debates. If you are fed up of being lied to by an elite who are divorced from your day to day struggles why vote for a proven liar who has spent most of his adult life trampling on the little guy. FFS one of his only coherent policies was to lower the taxes on the most wealthy and to reduce inheritance tax. That aint about to make it better for the guys working out in average joes gym. Yes I want things to change, but to vote for Trump on the basis of what he has said is turkey voting for christmas time. This upswell of dissatisfaction could have been used for so much good. We could be bringing the banks into line so they are not able to mortgage our futures for their own short term profits, we could have been taxing multinational corporations properly, we could have been reforming the EU to make it more accountable and less bureaucratic, but here we are, getting shafted by big business the same as ever and blaming global problems on people that don't look like us. I'm a little bit sickened by the whole thing. The bottom line is that I really don't like the way things are headed and I don't in any way feel represented by any of the main political parties. My solution is that I'm getting involved. I have campaigned before, but got so disenchanted with the political system that I didn't feel that any of them deserved my support. I'm now so disgusted and worried that I will have to hold my nose and do what I can. As an aside to the idea of getting involved I would like to point out that I don't agree with Brexit. The idea of going out in public and saying so at the moment is really very intimidating thanks to the spiteful atmosphere that some of the newspapers and generating at the moment. I now live in a country where I am worried that I will be discussed as an enemy of the people and of democracy for expressing a personally held view that a decent chunk of the population agrees with. It is however partly for that reason that I feel I have to say it before my right to goes away. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 22 minutes ago, peterms said: think he's some kind of master of commerce. Well he has got a few Trillion Dollars to mess about with so that's kind of shut them up ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 9, 2016 Moderator Share Posted November 9, 2016 29 minutes ago, Awol said: Yeah that's fine - & UK will be the biggest economy in Europe again. Shame about the Christmas market but we can't have everything. Duh (seems appropriate) it's called a tactical nuclear strike for a reason.... do it later this month and we get to keep the markets all year round. Which is a victory for capitalism and sausage lovers all rolled into one! Someone tweet Katy Hopkins... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikantcpell Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Bahahaha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Nothing like waking up to wailing and gnashing of teeth ... was quite surprised to get to work without the 3 minute warning going off and putting my duck and cover training to good use . Like always I find it amusing that the warriors who want to burn down the establishment are now the ones protesting for the status Quo to be restored and citing the stock market and the currency exchanges as their source for why Brexit / Trump is a bad thing roll on 2017 when we get rid of Merkel , vive la revolution 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 @Straggler Thing is if they'd voted for Clinton or the UK had voted Remain it's taken as an endorsement of the status quo. Its necessary to utterly reject the prevailing dogma and kick them in the teeth in order for the political elites to reform at all. If they still don't get the message then they'll rightly fade into obscurity and irrelevance to be replaced by new actors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 9, 2016 Moderator Share Posted November 9, 2016 6 hours ago, tonyh29 said: Nothing like waking up to wailing and gnashing of teeth ... Whatever gets you up in the morning Totally agree with the rest of your point though. Its Amazing the level of political hot footing people are doing these last few months between view points as events unfold. I mean that not in reference to contributors to this thread, more the real world and falsebook which seems to be a particular hotbed of ill informed political f-wittery. Never thought I'd long for the days of people sharing images of their cats and bloody dinner! I actually think the discussion in this thread is better than most of the media coverage although I appreciate that's a rather hollow complement given said coverage could have been cobbled together by the kids in my boys nursery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, TrentVilla said: I mean that not in reference to contributors to this thread as did I , clearly Luckily I don't do Twitter , but my Facebook feed has been taken over by world politics experts , kinda funny that the same people that share the "muslims want to eat our children , share if you agree" posts are now the same ones saying Trump is evil as he wants to ban muslims from America Edited November 9, 2016 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 9, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted November 9, 2016 They managed to impeach Nixon. With all the crap in Trump's closet, how hard could it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 9, 2016 Moderator Share Posted November 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: as did I , clearly Luckily I don't do Twitter , but my Facebook feed has been taken over by world politics experts , kinda funny that the same people that share the "muslims want to eat our children , share if you agree" posts are now the same ones saying Trump is evil as he wants to ban muslims from America Ever think you need new/less friends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: Never thought I'd long for the days of people sharing images of their cats since you requested it , have a cat that looks like Trump 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 9, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted November 9, 2016 They managed to impeach Nixon. With all the crap in Trump's closet, how hard could it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: Ever think you need new/less friends? yeah but then I'd be inferior to other people as I don't have 300+ friends , even heartless baby eating Tory bastards need to feel loved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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