Davkaus Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: Just shows that Brexit means cutting through all that red tape I'm never sure if you're joking, or saying what Brexiters actually believe. I'm going to try and give you the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: Just so we're clear, Arj and Ruge, what is your solution to this problem of Islam's intolerance. Any ideas short of closing the borders to muslims in their entirity? If I knew the answers mate I'd tell you. I've never once said a complete ban on Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted January 31, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, Arj Guy said: I agree with you Ruge. The main reason is the ignorance from most liberals towards Islam. They prefer to see Islam as a exotic alternative to Christianity and to ignore the political side, the 'true & last word of god' and other aspects of Islam. They think that Islam can change as a whole to a more moderate dogma, like Christianity did, and they think that they can achieve that by being tolerant against intolerant beliefs merely by claiming that nearly every criticism of the faith is islamophobic and by saying that some of their intolerant beliefs are a part of their culture (cultural relativism), which is exactly the opposite of the essence of liberalism. They feel like they need to protect the believers of Islam and these people will then become grateful and more open to the western society.This has lead to a completely rigged view of Islam as a purely peaceful religion and most liberals became more scared to be called xenophobes themselves when they really need to have criticism. At its core Islam supports the killing of gays, the oppression of women, and is against all our liberal values freedom of speech, freedom of religion etc. But it's trump that is the threat to liberal values? Some mental gymnastics going on in this thread. Horseshit. I don't like Islam. I don't like religion full stop. I don't like people that use violence to force their beliefs. I think of myself as quite a liberal person. There are extremist elements of Islam that it needs to combat. One a fool would disagree. But this reads like a condemnation of Muslims full stop. I've worked with, been friends with, encountered day to day with people who would describe themselves as Muslim. A few of them where words removed. Not because they were Muslim, but because they were words removed. A lot of them were lovely people, because they were nice people. And most of them just got on with their day. Because they're normal people. The rigged thinking here is you and your cohort of halfwits revealing themselves here. As for the core of the religion? Have you read the Bible? It's quite specific about the instructions to punish people, gays, adulterers, people with sideburns, people who wear mixed textiles. Most people ignore it. Most Muslims do to. The sheer tone of supremacy in this post is laughable. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, Awol said: Suicide bombing? Decapitations? Kidnap, rape, torture and enslavement of people of other faiths? No? There's not even a remote comparison between the verbal bile of Christian extremists in the US and the daily slaughter and mayhem carried out around the world by Muslim extremists. There are checks and balances in place in the US to keep the Christian extremists in line, that will probably be slowly eroded away mind you. Drop them in lawless Yemen or Afghanistan and you'll probably see something similar...for example, the CAR which is probably the worst of the lot. Like @limpid said, it's simply cultural bias to say one is significantly worse or better than the other when they're 99% the same. A whole host of geopolitical and other circumstances explain the difference in actions among the followers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Actually have a read of some sources that aren't the Mail and educate yourself. You come across a petty, ignorant racist. MUSLIMS are the biggest VICTIMS of terrorism. I know they are which is crazy but not surprising given the savagery of certain groups and governments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 31, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: I know they are which is crazy but not surprising given the savagery of certain groups and governments. But you literally just said "Muslims being victims is hugely overplayed" Which is it? Are they the biggest victims of terrorism or is the "Muslims are victims" narrative overplayed? No comment on the far-right terrorist who killed 6 Muslims 2 days ago? Edited January 31, 2017 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: This whole Muslim victims thing is well overplayed. He says, the day after Muslims were gunned down in cold blood in the tolerant West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: But you literally just said "Muslims being victims is hugely overblown" Which is it? Are they the biggest victims of terrorism or is the "Muslims are victims" narrative overblown? No comment on the far-right terrorist who killed 6 Muslims 2 days ago? I meant in the west. yes it's disgraceful and I condemn it. I'm not asking for violence against Muslims because I'm not a white supremacist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, Keyblade said: He says, the day after Muslims were gunned down in cold blood in the tolerant West. So the west is not tolerant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 31, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: I meant in the west. yes it's disgraceful and I condemn it. I'm not asking for violence against Muslims because I'm not a white supremacist. Right, because wishing for violence against Muslims is the only way you can be a white supremacist. 3 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: So the west is not tolerant? Clearly not, considering the leader of the West appointed a xenophobic misogynist into office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Rugeley Villa said: So the west is not tolerant? You're missing the point, it is relatively tolerant (though it is getting increasingly intolerant, thanks in no small part to the type of rhetoric you've been displaying in here and the election of a certain Mr. Trump) but if Muslims are getting massacred like that out here, how can you say they're not victims at all when they face that but tenfold in the middle East? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, Keyblade said: You're missing the point, it is relatively tolerant (though it is getting increasingly intolerant, thanks in no small part to the type of rhetoric you've been displaying in here and the election of a certain Mr. Trump) but if Muslims are getting massacred like that out here, how can you say they're not victims at all when they face that but tenfold in the middle East? I know Muslims are targeted much more in the Middle East but so is everyone. There was an attack the other day which I completely go against but as a whole we are tolerant and things will remain that way. Everyone is jumping the gun about how they think things will end up. As a whole Islam is not a tolerant religion. Studies have proven this or is that all anti Muslim propoganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 31, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2017 Just now, Rugeley Villa said: I know Muslims are targeted much more in the Middle East but so is everyone. Really? This is your response? By the same logic, "Yes Jews were killed in the holocaust but so were other groups!!!" 1 minute ago, Rugeley Villa said: As a whole Islam is not a tolerant religion. As a whole, neither is Christianity. Look at the rabid Christians in America. 1 minute ago, Rugeley Villa said: Studies have proven this or is that all anti Muslim propoganda. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 33 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I'm never sure if you're joking, or saying what Brexiters actually believe. I'm going to try and give you the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes I like to leave the smiley off the post and keep you all guessing 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Just now, Rugeley Villa said: I know Muslims are targeted much more in the Middle East but so is everyone. There was an attack the other day which I completely go against but as a whole we are tolerant and things will remain that way. Everyone is jumping the gun about how they think things will end up. As a whole Islam is not a tolerant religion. Studies have proven this or is that all anti Muslim propoganda. I'm not sure what the metrics are for what makes a tolerant religion that these studies proved but I'll take your word for it. The point wasn't that Islam is not intolerant but that it's no more or less intolerant than the Christianity that you have an odd reverence for. They're pretty much the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Just now, Keyblade said: I'm not sure what the metrics are for what makes a tolerant religion that these studies proved but I'll take your word for it. The point wasn't that Islam is not intolerant but that it's no more or less intolerant than the Christianity that you have an odd reverence for. They're pretty much the same. How can you compare the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MakemineVanilla Posted January 31, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2017 13 hours ago, Chindie said: I'll save everyone giving the word removed that made that video any publicity or a chance at getting nice viewer numbers for the ad revenue. 1. Trump's ok 'cos Obama did it too. 2. Wahwahwah. With a dash of sarcasm and mocking people by reading tweets in a funny voice. I bet he's an alt-right word removed. Edit HE IS! Shocker. He's not saying that it is okay because Obama did it, he is saying that those who are cranking up the hysteria right now said nothing when Obama was doing it, and a lot worse, like arming Isis in Syria and the Saudis who murdered Yemenis. He points out that being that the five most populous Muslim countries in the world: Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and Nigeria are not on the list, means that it is not a ban on Muslims per se but only those from terror-linked countries on Obama's list. He points out that Obama imposed similar bans 6 times but that was okay apparently. He points out that 16 Islamic countries ban Israelis but there is no moral outrage. He's just calling people hypocrites for their egregious double-standards. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Just now, Rugeley Villa said: How can you compare the two. By reading their texts. It's mostly the same stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 31, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Rugeley Villa said: How can you compare the two. Because they are both historically barbaric religions whose core beliefs oppose the same damn things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted January 31, 2017 Administrator Share Posted January 31, 2017 46 minutes ago, Awol said: Suicide bombing? Decapitations? Kidnap, rape, torture and enslavement of people of other faiths? No? There's not even a remote comparison between the verbal bile of Christian extremists in the US and the daily slaughter and mayhem carried out around the world by Muslim extremists. Read the context. I was answering Ruge's question about "troublesome". I find Christian extremism in America every bit as troubling as Islamic extremism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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