U.S. Politics

[Jon]

8 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said:

In my experience in America, elections at all levels are won by emotion. You might get there via some reasoning, but that's a sliver of the electorate (in a race where slivers matter, admittedly). The tone of the argument is more vital than the ideas. Hillary had zillions of great ideas, but she freaked out insecure white men and often sounded condescending.  Harris just seems happy and upbeat. Americans love that shit.

pathos >  logos or ethos

Yeah Comma - la comes across really well. Seems 'human' and relatable. She seems kinda fun.  Unlike Billary.  

[Marka Ragnos]

47 minutes ago, Jon said:

Yeah Comma - la comes across really well. Seems 'human' and relatable. She seems kinda fun.  Unlike Billary.  

I know! Trump keeps shows these ads that are supposed to embarrass her by showing her dancing with a tropical-coloured blouse, etc. But when I see those videos, I'm like, "Where's the party?! Sign me up!"

Edited Friday at 16:09 by Marka Ragnos

[Nor-Cal Villan]

I wish I had a dollar for every sweeping generalization of Americans in this thread 

I can hear it now:

Typical American, only thinking about $

Edited Friday at 16:55 by Nor-Cal Villan

[nick76]

Who would’ve thought after the debate with Harris which lost badly in that we’d arrive at the end of the week with Trump defending his ‘relationship’ with Laura Loomer in his LA press conference and him getting very defensive about it.  I don’t think the press conference went the way he thought it would with a number of questions about it….

Twitter thread below with parts of his speech and then he took questions ….

 

[Genie]

37 minutes ago, nick76 said:

Who would’ve thought after the debate with Harris which lost badly in that we’d arrive at the end of the week with Trump defending his ‘relationship’ with Laura Loomer in his LA press conference and him getting very defensive about it.  I don’t think the press conference went the way he thought it would with a number of questions about it….

Twitter thread below with parts of his speech and then he took questions ….

 

Hopefully he fully implodes before November 

[Nor-Cal Villan]

3 hours ago, Genie said:

Hopefully he fully implodes before November 

Im, ex, doesn’t matter as long as he plodes

[Marka Ragnos]

Not weird. I'm sorry,  but people need to stop complaining about MAGAts being "weird." They're perfectly normal.

 

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Former President Donald Trump shared an eyebrow-raising clip on Truth Social on Wednesday, captioning it with the simple message, “Thank you, Laura!”

In the clip, far-right conspiracy theorist and failed Congressional candidate Laura Loomer begins by claiming Trump was removed from office in a “coup” – presumably the reason Trump shared it.

However, later in the clip, Loomer is asked why she is still single and she answers it’s due to her obsession with Trump.

“When President Trump was pushed out of the White House in this coup, when President Trump left Washington, DC the truth left with him, so now there is a war on truth. Truth has become a radical concept in this country now. You are now a radical if you speak truth,” Loomer says at the beginning of the clip.

The interviewer then says, “I have to ask you, Laura, you’re — you’re single, correct?”

 

 

Edited Saturday at 00:31 by Marka Ragnos

[Marka Ragnos]

To my British friends baffled that Trump and Harris could be so close in the polls:

Is it so hard to conceive of how great masses of people are willing to go to extremes to back incredibly stupid and destructive and irrational ideas? I'm not sure that's a particularly American thing. Isn't the last century in Europe pretty much a case study in that? And the century before that, in America, wasn't too wise either. Something like 250K American southerners went to their deaths fighting to protect slavery.

The only thing new and different about Trumpism -- in terms of being a stupid cause -- is its sheer commercial vulgarity and cowardice.

On the other hand, I feel like good people and good ideas eventually do win out because -- as corny as it sounds -- they're in the end even more willing to put themselves on the line.

[Mozzavfc]

6 hours ago, Marka Ragnos said:

To my British friends baffled that Trump and Harris could be so close in the polls:

Is it so hard to conceive of how great masses of people are willing to go to extremes to back incredibly stupid and destructive and irrational ideas? I'm not sure that's a particularly American thing. Isn't the last century in Europe pretty much a case study in that? And the century before that, in America, wasn't too wise either. Something like 250K American southerners went to their deaths fighting to protect slavery.

The only thing new and different about Trumpism -- in terms of being a stupid cause -- is its sheer commercial vulgarity and cowardice.

On the other hand, I feel like good people and good ideas eventually do win out because -- as corny as it sounds -- they're in the end even more willing to put themselves on the line.

No. Over here we call them Brexiteers. Exactly the same group of people, influenced by the exact same lies

[Genie]

A lot of people are obsessed with shaking things up, the radical approach, bring on the madness. They don’t think there’s a downside to it. It’ll be fine, I’ll be fine, but it’ll be fun watching it shake out. 

They treat politics like a reality TV show.

[BleedClaretAndBlue]

 

[Jareth]

My view is that the sensible half of America turned up for Biden last time, and will again for Harris. While Trump will solidify his support but will fail to get those independents out to vote for him. I'd be gobsmacked if Trump wins. 

[sidcow]

8 minutes ago, Jareth said:

I'd be gobsmacked if Trump wins. 

Christ. I hope you're right. 

[Jareth]

4 minutes ago, sidcow said:

Christ. I hope you're right. 

Entirely based on the idea that there are enough smart people in the US for the country not to turn toward fascism. 

[Captain_Townsend]

1 hour ago, Jareth said:

My view is that the sensible half of America turned up for Biden last time, and will again for Harris. While Trump will solidify his support but will fail to get those independents out to vote for him. I'd be gobsmacked if Trump wins. 

Please, please be correct!

[Nor-Cal Villan]

4 hours ago, Jareth said:

Entirely based on the idea that there are enough smart people in the US for the country not to turn toward fascism. 

Remember, most Americans lack basic understanding of how anything works, so you probably can’t rely on us 

@viivvaa66

Edited Saturday at 16:01 by Nor-Cal Villan

[Mozzavfc]

5 hours ago, Jareth said:

My view is that the sensible half of America turned up for Biden last time, and will again for Harris. While Trump will solidify his support but will fail to get those independents out to vote for him. I'd be gobsmacked if Trump wins. 

The issue isn't the total number of votes. The Dems have that won a long time ago. It's the electoral college meaning the election comes down down to a few thousand people in swing states 

[Jareth]

1 hour ago, Mozzavfc said:

The issue isn't the total number of votes. The Dems have that won a long time ago. It's the electoral college meaning the election comes down down to a few thousand people in swing states 

Yep I know, the people that turned out in those states for Biden, will turn out for Harris, whereas Trump will probably get the same result as last time, he has a ceiling. 

[sidcow]

5 hours ago, Nor-Cal Villan said:

Remember, most Americans lack basic understanding of how anything works, so you probably can’t rely on us 

@viivvaa66

Look at that Spaceship. Could only get the astronauts up there and not get them back. Lack of understanding, I rest my case m'lud. 

Not like that amazing British Mars Rover. 

[viivvaa66]

8 hours ago, Nor-Cal Villan said:

Remember, most Americans lack basic understanding of how anything works, so you probably can’t rely on us 

@viivvaa66

Correct, so just start planning for Trump’s second term as president.

I have notice that none of the two candidates are mentioning education in their campaign, nor do they get any question about education from reporters. Is it because American voters do not care about their children and their future? Or have Americans voters accepted that if you are rich you can give your children the best education in the world, and if you are not, your children just have to accept a sub-standard education? And if you try to change this you will be branded as a Marxist Socialist. 

Correction: Trump/Project 2025 includes the policy to shutdown the Department of Education. I assume it is to allow red states to slash the education budget to fund tax cut for the rich to get a proper trickle down economy.

America is a strange country on one side you have some of the smartest well educated people in the world and then you have the rest. The divide between the two groups seems grow larger and larger, and nobody in America seems to care.

Here in Europe education is always one of the key topics in any election. The future of the nation depend on providing excellent education, it will help workers to have the skillset required and provide businesses with qualified workers. As an example Boeing can not find qualified engineers in America, but Airbus have no issue finding European engineers.