Nor-Cal Villan Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 1 minute ago, DJBOB said: I don’t know, I think all leaders (Presidents or even managers) are going to back themselves until almost the bitter end. And time will tell, but I do think the timing here is actually more helpful than harming for Harris. Dude, please hook me up with your connection for optimism, I need a heavy dose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 21 VT Supporter Share Posted July 21 6 minutes ago, mjmooney said: You'd prefer Trump's braying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 5 minutes ago, Nor-Cal Villan said: Dude, please hook me up with your connection for optimism, I need a heavy dose I would have been more worried if Biden didn’t endorse anyone or the Dems went into their convention contested. That he endorsed Harris and almost everyone else is lining up to do so will mean that the Dems are uniting at the right time. A new manager bounce at the end of the season is the best timing you can hope for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 7 minutes ago, DJBOB said: I don’t know, I think all leaders (Presidents or even managers) are going to back themselves until almost the bitter end. And time will tell, but I do think the timing here is actually more helpful than harming for Harris. True , even Truss had to be forced out when everyone bar her knew she needed to go removes the age issue from the equation and presumably the new manager bounce dents some of the Jesus complex boost that Trump got last week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 What 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Genie Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 My recollection from the last election is that Harris was popular, down to earth, relatable and spoke very well. A lot of people were suggesting that once Biden was elected he’d step aside and hand over to her. It’s for this reason I am surprised she is considered an outside bet to beat the corrupt, lying, dangerous felon that is Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 5 minutes ago, Genie said: My recollection from the last election is that Harris was popular, down to earth, relatable and spoke very well. A lot of people were suggesting that once Biden was elected he’d step aside and hand over to her. It’s for this reason I am surprised she is considered an outside bet to beat the corrupt, lying, dangerous felon that is Trump. It’s an outside bet because she’s currently losing. But for the reasons above, she will make it close and strike a big contrast against Trump. The next debate is a lose-lose for Trump. Accept the debate and Harris, by default, will do better than Biden. Dodge the debate and he will lose by the appearance of avoiding her. For almost 10 years, the Democrats have been running well known candidates in Clinton and Biden. Voters want change and Harris, despite being the incumbent VP, will ironically represent change from Biden or Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 30 minutes ago, DJBOB said: I would have been more worried if Biden didn’t endorse anyone or the Dems went into their convention contested. That he endorsed Harris and almost everyone else is lining up to do so will mean that the Dems are uniting at the right time. A new manager bounce at the end of the season is the best timing you can hope for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 12 minutes ago, DJBOB said: It’s an outside bet because she’s currently losing. But for the reasons above, she will make it close and strike a big contrast against Trump. The next debate is a lose-lose for Trump. Accept the debate and Harris, by default, will do better than Biden. Dodge the debate and he will lose by the appearance of avoiding her. I really hope you’re right The fact that this SOB continually spins gold out of gives one reasonable skepticism. At least it gives it to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 11 minutes ago, DJBOB said: It’s an outside bet because she’s currently losing. But for the reasons above, she will make it close and strike a big contrast against Trump. The next debate is a lose-lose for Trump. Accept the debate and Harris, by default, will do better than Biden. Dodge the debate and he will lose by the appearance of avoiding her. For almost 10 years, the Democrats have been running well known candidates in Clinton and Biden. Voters want change and Harris, despite being the incumbent VP, will ironically represent change from Biden or Trump. Yeah Harris should be able to annihilate Trump in a debate. She is smart, tough and knows her stuff. Quick witted too. I wish she wasn't such an establishment politician, but she is a way better candidate than Trum or Biden. So sad that it is such faint praise to say someone is better than the 2 candidates to be POTUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 26 minutes ago, Genie said: My recollection from the last election is that Harris was popular, down to earth, relatable and spoke very well. A lot of people were suggesting that once Biden was elected he’d step aside and hand over to her. It’s for this reason I am surprised she is considered an outside bet to beat the corrupt, lying, dangerous felon that is Trump. She is the most anonymous VP in living memory, whether that's a good or a bad thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 1 minute ago, Kiwivillan said: She is the most anonymous VP in living memory, whether that's a good or a bad thing. You don't remember Al Gore then I assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 3 minutes ago, Straggler said: You don't remember Al Gore then I assume. I do. He wasn't as anonymous when VP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 21 Moderator Share Posted July 21 4 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: She is the most anonymous VP in living memory, whether that's a good or a bad thing. She won’t be very soon, they’ll be pushing her into all sorts of media windows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Just now, bickster said: She won’t be very soon, they’ll be pushing her into all sorts of media windows I wouldn't bet on her remaining Democrat pick to run against Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Just now, Kiwivillan said: I do. He wasn't as anonymous when VP He was considered one of the most boring men in the USA at the time, but this isn't a hill I'm willing to die on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 The fact that the Democratic convention is in Chicago definitely lessens my anxiety. They have a history of hosting calm, uneventful conventions there and I expect nothing less this time around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXD Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 1 minute ago, Kiwivillan said: I wouldn't bet on her remaining Democrat pick to run against Trump Why not? surely every democrat knows now is not the time for different candidates. They need someone to campaign front and centre tomorrow. Anyone challenging that will be blamed for the loss of the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 (edited) THE THRILLA IN NOVEMBER!!! Tuesday November 5, a titanic clash for the biggest belt in the land. THE PROSECUTOR VS. THE FELON! 15 rounds of action, from which there will be only one winner. Edited July 21 by Nor-Cal Villan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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