Nor-Cal Villan Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 2 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: Can’t remember if I read it on VT, but someone posted “Every Democrat seems to be talking like a mob boss trying to order a crime when they think the feds might be listening” and I just can’t unsee it. Will no one rid me of this turbulent President? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Think democrats have probable accepted defeat regroup 4 years trump run and get back in next 4-5 years They will probably be running against de santis you would expect newsom would beat him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: Think democrats have probable accepted defeat regroup 4 years trump run and get back in next 4-5 years They will probably be running against de santis you would expect newsom would beat him. Problem is, if they lose this one, I really wouldn't bet against them running against a third term Trump, if his heart lasts that long. It's a blessed relief that this aspiring dictator can't be far away from a coffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 5 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Problem is, if they lose this one, I really wouldn't bet against them running against a third term Trump, if his heart lasts that long. It's a blessed relief that this aspiring dictator can't be far away from a coffin Can he run a 3rd term? I was under the impression you can run twice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 10 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Can he run a 3rd term? I was under the impression you can run twice? Absolutely not. Two terms is all you get…unless he’s able to change the Constitution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daweii Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 14 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Can he run a 3rd term? I was under the impression you can run twice? I think the 22nd amendment limits everyone to just two terms as President. Those terms can happen back to back, or be years apart, but Trump will restricted from running a third time if he wins this time. That said, once he is President he could push for an amendment to be made, but that would be hard to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 He'd need a two-thirds vote of both houses of congress to make a constitutional amendment, and it'd then have to be approved by 3/4 of the states. He's not going to be able to change the constitution to allow himself a third term. More likely he'd nominate Donald Trump Jr as his heir apparent and continue to rule through him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted July 12 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 12 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12 2 hours ago, Nor-Cal Villan said: Absolutely not. Two terms is all you get…unless he’s able to change the Constitution I think I see the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted July 13 VT Supporter Share Posted July 13 I read one solution is that Biden resigns the night before the convention and so Kamala becomes Presdient. She then appoints Barak Obama has her Vice-President and they run on that ticket in November. BO can serve as VP even though he's served two terms as POTUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 28 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: I read one solution is that Biden resigns the night before the convention and so Kamala becomes Presdient. She then appoints Barak Obama has her Vice-President and they run on that ticket in November. BO can serve as VP even though he's served two terms as POTUS Can’t happen that way. 12th Amendment makes Obama ineligible for Vice-President. VP has to be eligible for POTUS. His being ineligible to be POTUS (22nd Amendment) thus disqualifies him to be Vice-President TL;DR: anyone who can’t be POTUS also can’t be VP Edited July 13 by Nor-Cal Villan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted July 13 VT Supporter Share Posted July 13 11 minutes ago, Nor-Cal Villan said: Can’t happen that way. 12th Amendment makes Obama ineligible for Vice-President. VP has to be eligible for POTUS. His being ineligible to be POTUS (22nd Amendment) thus disqualifies him to be Vice-President TL;DR: anyone who can’t be POTUS also can’t be VP Interesting. After a bit of thought I realized it wasn't an article I was reading but it was suggestion from someone in a conversation. They were convinced this was legal but it seems you are equally convinced that it is not. My understanding of the 12th amendment is that it deals more with the electoral college and the process of election. But I'm happy to be pointed to the section which specifies what you state. Or is it something that would become a legal argument based on interpretation? In which case of course we'd be f*cked because the Supreme Court is an extreme right wing porn fantasy for at least the next 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheAuthority said: Interesting. After a bit of thought I realized it wasn't an article I was reading but it was suggestion from someone in a conversation. They were convinced this was legal but it seems you are equally convinced that it is not. My understanding of the 12th amendment is that it deals more with the electoral college and the process of election. But I'm happy to be pointed to the section which specifies what you state. Or is it something that would become a legal argument based on interpretation? In which case of course we'd be f*cked because the Supreme Court is an extreme right wing porn fantasy for at least the next 20 years. I’m 80% asleep so this will be brief. As I understand it, what I posted applies legally “as is.” All bets would be off, however, if somehow the current SCOTUS got involved Now you’ve got me second guessing myself I just saw this https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/barack-obama-could-he-replace-kamala-harris-vice-president-209063 Quote Could former President Obama serve as vice president? The short answer: probably not. Quote another Journal reader responded, stating that Obama is not eligible for vice president. Here’s what the second reader had to say: “While the concept of President Obama becoming a vice-presidential candidate is interesting, it may run afoul of the 12th Amendment: “But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible that of Vice-President of the United States.” How this interacts with the 22nd Amendment, which limits presidents to two elected terms, is uncertain, but on the face of it, Mr. Obama wouldn’t be permitted now to become vice president.” Quote the 12th Amendment seems clear on the point: Obama is not eligible for the vice presidency. From what little I know of The National Interest it skews much further to the right than my own politics, so my that I didn’t just link to something bat crazy Edited July 13 by Nor-Cal Villan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 7 hours ago, choffer said: It's crazy how the media focus on Biden and ignore Trump in this way. He's said some absolutely insane shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 5 minutes ago, DCJonah said: It's crazy how the media focus on Biden and ignore Trump in this way. He's said some absolutely insane shit. And he’s been doing it since day one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 And it is not news because he's done it since day one. And his voters will vote for him anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 1 hour ago, DCJonah said: It's crazy how the media focus on Biden and ignore Trump in this way. He's said some absolutely insane shit. I dont think tgey ignore trump at all tbf. The media love crucifying trump. You just cabt ignore bidens gaffes. That Zelensky one is as bad as it gets and very disrespectful too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted July 13 Moderator Share Posted July 13 Trump is bad - this isn't news. That doesn't mean the election should become a competition as to who can make the worst candidate. We have a bad candidate - the world needs someone to beat him, someone capable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozzavfc Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 It seems crazy to me that there isn't a 'young' democratic candidate, who could step in and replace Biden That way they could really lean into the youthful hopeful energy to fix America, like a JFK type 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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