villa89 Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 1 hour ago, Mr_Dogg said: Paddy power has Kamala Harris 7/2 No chance she beats Trump IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Just waiting for the Dem's to launch a mysterious new candidate named Orack Babama who under close inspection seem to be wearing a fake mustache. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 4 minutes ago, blandy said: Yeah, true. But there’s no mechanism for taking it out of his hands. It’s completely in his control to just stay in the race. He can’t be removed by anyone else. From listening to the news and stuff, it seems like most of Americans think the two candidates are dire. Hopefully the Democrats can persuade him to step aside and put in someone to trounce Trump resoundingly. I have an incredibly rudimentary understanding of us politics, but isn't the 25th amendment still an option? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXD Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 6 minutes ago, sne said: Just waiting for the Dem's to launch a mysterious new candidate named Orack Babama who under close inspection seem to be wearing a fake mustache. Does he have a birth certificate? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 12 Moderator Share Posted July 12 19 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I have an incredibly rudimentary understanding of us politics, but isn't the 25th amendment still an option? Don’t think so. He is the selected Dem candidate for the presidential election. He is also current president, and he’s alive and, while seemingly somewhat diminished in mental capacity, I don’t think that’s therefore a possibility. Isn’t that for if the President dies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 He has made gaffes his entire political career. He stood up and answered questions reasonably coherently for nearly an hour, and yet the whole media pounced on one slip. An aged Biden is still better than a deranged Trump. I am interested to see who the Democrats wish to magic up to replace Biden. Harris would get hammered by Trump and any other alternative is going to be fraught and messy. Of course a 81-year-old shouldn't run for the presidency but they have no one else to unify the support base and potentially win the election. That is why he won the nomination in 2020 and then beat the incumbent president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 12 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12 1 hour ago, The Fun Factory said: Harris would get hammered by Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 4 hours ago, blandy said: Don’t think so. He is the selected Dem candidate for the presidential election. He is also current president, and he’s alive and, while seemingly somewhat diminished in mental capacity, I don’t think that’s therefore a possibility. Isn’t that for if the President dies? It’s for more than that. It clarifies that the vice president becomes president if the president dies, resigns, or is removed from office through impeachment, and establishes how a vacancy in the office of the vice president can be filled. It also provides for the temporary transfer of the president's powers and duties to the vice president, either on the initiative of the president alone or on the initiative of the vice president together with a majority of the president's cabinet. In either case, the vice president becomes acting president until the presidential powers and duties are returned to the president. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 5 hours ago, villa89 said: No chance she beats Trump IMO. Agree. Many do not seem to get the visceral dislike for her held by large chunks of the people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 17 minutes ago, Nor-Cal Villan said: Agree. Many do not seem to get the visceral dislike for her held by large chunks of the people You're a lot closer to it than me, why does everyone hate Harris. I just don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 6 minutes ago, colhint said: You're a lot closer to it than me, why does everyone hate Harris. I just don't know. I don’t fully get it either. Here in CA she got a bad reputation as being way too gung ho on incarcerations when she was the District Attorney in San Francisco/Attorney General of California. But that’s just here in California; nationwide I think it mostly boils down to her being an allegedly extreme liberal, confident, accomplished African-American woman from California. Out in the hinterlands that ticks off a plethora of boxes on the checklist of hatred* *=Checklist of Hatred: that’s a damn solid band name and I’m claiming it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Definitely Metal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted July 12 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12 20 minutes ago, Nor-Cal Villan said: I don’t fully get it either. Here in CA she got a bad reputation as being way too gung ho on incarcerations when she was the District Attorney in San Francisco/Attorney General of California. But that’s just here in California; nationwide I think it mostly boils down to her being an allegedly extreme liberal, confident, accomplished African-American woman from California. Out in the hinterlands that ticks off a plethora of boxes on the checklist of hatred* *=Checklist of Hatred: that’s a damn solid band name and I’m claiming it Friends in the ATL tell me it’s just that she is three things. Strong, Black, Woman. I don’t doubt that for many that’s enough to dislike her but I’m sure there’s a lot more to it than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 1 minute ago, choffer said: Friends in the ATL tell me it’s just that she is three things. Strong, Black, Woman. I don’t doubt that for many that’s enough to dislike her but I’m sure there’s a lot more to it than that. Has to be more than that since Michelle Obama is pretty popular. Unless she's seen as weak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted July 12 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12 1 minute ago, sne said: Has to be more than that since Michelle Obama is pretty popular. Unless she's seen as weak? MO’b has a likability though. Harris is a tough cookie and that’s enough to scare some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 8 minutes ago, choffer said: Friends in the ATL tell me it’s just that she is three things. Strong, Black, Woman. I don’t doubt that for many that’s enough to dislike her but I’m sure there’s a lot more to it than that. For a great many that’s all the reason they’ll ever need. No need to overthink it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 (edited) The Democratic House Leader has released a very vague statement with a beautiful amount of subtext. Edited July 12 by wishywashy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 7 hours ago, Davkaus said: I have an incredibly rudimentary understanding of us politics, but isn't the 25th amendment still an option? Yes. A majority of his cabinet have to vote for it, and party leaders might need to agree as well, but I'm not certain. It's never been enacted before, but interestingly was hotly debated among Trump's cabinet over the first few months of his term because he was inviting Russians into the Oval Office while excluding Americans, divulging Mossad operations to said Russians, and when not committing treason, he was acting like a madman generally. It was one of many missed opportunities to stop Trump before he could do more damage. Whatever Hell Trump unleashes on the country, win or lose, will be on the conscience of every craven Republican that enabled him at every turn. As for Biden, it seems the people closest to him care more about keeping their slice of power and access than the future of the country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Seems normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Can’t remember if I read it on VT, but someone posted “Every Democrat seems to be talking like a mob boss trying to order a crime when they think the feds might be listening” and I just can’t unsee it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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