Genie Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 11 minutes ago, Captain_Townsend said: Is Biden still the man he was? No absolutely not. Is he still a capable politician who would perform better as a president than Trump? Absolutely yes. As much as I despise Donald Trump I have to disagree, Biden often doesn’t know what day of the week it is. I thought he’d be ok tbh but some of his more recent errors are alarming for someone with so much power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted August 20 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 20 Biden is an old man and the job has aged him noticeably. Trump and his minions have managed to make the issue worse than it was - Biden has been a bumbly speaker for his entire career and now as an old man 4 years into a heavy job it's worse, but he's not completely gone mentally or anything of the sort. Listening to some of Trump's inane insane rambles you'll see even less sense being made. But Trump is good at branding and he got the story to stick, and a clearly ill Biden then rubber stamped it with the worst timed bad performance imaginable. Biden still shouldn't have been running but that's because it's probably not a good idea to have the most powerful nation in the world run by an old man who is slowing down. A problem that also applies to the saddle toned sphincter. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 48 minutes ago, Genie said: As much as I despise Donald Trump I have to disagree, Biden often doesn’t know what day of the week it is. I thought he’d be ok tbh but some of his more recent errors are alarming for someone with so much power. Can’t agree, even a 50% Biden would be a better President than Trump. Trumps interest in the presidency isn’t for the betterment of the USA but for his own self interests and his allies. He therefore wouldn’t be a better president he would just function better in that office than Biden, just the functioning he would be doing is not that of what the President should be doing whereas Biden would be doing it solely for the betterment of the USA. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted August 20 VT Supporter Share Posted August 20 Worth pointing out that Trump now is older than Biden was when he took office. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Get back to me when Biden drops a Hannibal Lecter rant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 On 19/08/2024 at 07:31, Genie said: Has Trump started suggesting the election is rigged yet? That’ll be the first tell tale sign he isn’t confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 17 hours ago, Hobsons Choice said: Worth pointing out that Trump now is older than Biden was when he took office. I still can't fathom, that 3 months ago the leadership contest for the free world was a popularity content between 2 people I wouldn't trust with car keys. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 (edited) That pair of Obama speeches last night. Trump must be reeling. Barack is such a gifted orator, and Michelle likely held the speech of the convention. Edited August 21 by magnkarl 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 33 minutes ago, magnkarl said: That pair of Obama speeches last night. Trump must be reeling. Barack is such a gifted orator, and Michelle likely held the speech of the convention. Michelle Obama is an incredible speaker. How many other “first lady’s” (ex or present) could speak like that? She’d wipe the floor with most world leaders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted August 21 VT Supporter Share Posted August 21 52 minutes ago, magnkarl said: That pair of Obama speeches last night. Trump must be reeling. Barack is such a gifted orator, and Michelle likely held the speech of the convention. What a speech. Aspirational, barbed without being crass, motivational. Just excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 21 VT Supporter Share Posted August 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, magnkarl said: That pair of Obama speeches last night. Trump must be reeling. Barack is such a gifted orator, and Michelle likely held the speech of the convention. It's all very well but they're talking to the converted. What counts is how it plays with the floating voters in the swing states. No amount of standing ovations at the Democratic conference amounts to anything till you hear from them. Edited August 21 by sidcow 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted August 21 VT Supporter Share Posted August 21 6 minutes ago, sidcow said: It's all very well but they're talking to the converted. What counts is how it plays with the floating voters in the swing states. No amount of standing ovations at the Democratic conference amounts to anything till you hear from them. That's where people spreading it, or sections of it on social media (forums like this for example) come in. Floaters might not be avidly watching the DNC, but they might just pick something up elsewhere, and it might just resonate. That's how the Republicans have been dissemination their message, through channels like X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted August 21 VT Supporter Share Posted August 21 36 minutes ago, Hobsons Choice said: What a speech. Aspirational, barbed without being crass, motivational. Just excellent. The MAGAs insist she's a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted August 21 VT Supporter Share Posted August 21 1 minute ago, mjmooney said: The MAGAs insist she's a man. That's just the intellectual rigour I would expect from one of their arguments. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 (edited) On 20/08/2024 at 00:21, TheAuthority said: I've watched a lot of rallies and political conventions over the years and of course they are very partisan. But I don't think I've ever seen a reception like Biden just received. It seemed to go on for ever. I am the biggest cynic but it really seemed very emotional. He went on to speak the most harshly he ever has about the Israel war on Gaza. Everyone can agree his debate performance was abysmal but this was an absolutely barnstorming speech. And a final thought is: All policy debates aside, this man had his wife and youngest daughter introduce him in the most loving and inspirational way. Trump's wife won't even hold his hand at photo ops FFS. How can anyone believe that the orange idiot is a human with any quality whatsoever. The DNC so far really has been unfathomable for me. Where is the Democratic Party that is constantly waging war against itself? Eating its own tail to spite the US despite being the better option most of the time? Where is the loathing and the fear of offending anyone? Where is the tepid applause for anyone without an Obama surname? I don’t know where this leads in November and how much to believe in polling but there hasn’t been this level of united enthusiasm for the Democratic Party since Obama ‘08 and Clinton ‘96. 16 and 28 years apart - that’s how infrequent this sort of collective applause happens. It’s hard for me, as a cynic, to believe that it will really translate into a comeback win in November but it’s also difficult not to believe what I see with my own eyes now. Edited August 21 by DJBOB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 1 hour ago, sidcow said: It's all very well but they're talking to the converted. What counts is how it plays with the floating voters in the swing states. No amount of standing ovations at the Democratic conference amounts to anything till you hear from them. That's why stuff like this going on at Fox is ultimately so important: Jump past the commentary. Tarlov is a brilliant host, she keeps dismantling the MAGA loons live on Fox almost every day. No idea why she still has a job there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 2 hours ago, sidcow said: It's all very well but they're talking to the converted. What counts is how it plays with the floating voters in the swing states. No amount of standing ovations at the Democratic conference amounts to anything till you hear from them. It’s not about convincing those in the building, it’s about getting those people sufficiently inspired and fired up so they will head out and become the volunteer army of foot soldiers required to spread a campaign message. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 1 hour ago, DJBOB said: The DNC so far really has been unfathomable for me. Where is the Democratic Party that is constantly waging war against itself? Eating its own tail to spite the US despite being the better option most of the time? Where is the loathing and the fear of offending anyone? Where is the tepid applause for anyone without an Obama surname? I don’t know where this leads in November and how much to believe in polling but there hasn’t been this level of united enthusiasm for the Democratic Party since Obama ‘08 and Clinton ‘96. 16 and 36 years apart - that’s how infrequent this sort of collective applause happens. It’s hard for me, as a cynic, to believe that it will really translate into a comeback win in November but it’s also difficult not to believe what I see with my own eyes now. I genuinely think Biden trying to stick it out for weeks after it became patently obvious him staying on was untenable was one of the greatest (accidental) political masterstrokes in recent memory. There’s no way the Democrats would have been this unified if he’d stepped down a year ago and they’d run an open primary. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 What makes me laugh is the Maga lot were saying he needs to step down and isn't capable now say it was a coup and he should have stayed on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 2 hours ago, Panto_Villan said: I genuinely think Biden trying to stick it out for weeks after it became patently obvious him staying on was untenable was one of the greatest (accidental) political masterstrokes in recent memory. There’s no way the Democrats would have been this unified if he’d stepped down a year ago and they’d run an open primary. It also indicates that maybe you don't need a 18 month election campaign, the main reason is to see who can raise the most amount in donations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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