bannedfromHandV Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 He only threw the MLK mention in there because I think he’d realised quite how overtly racist he’d been in suggesting that black people arrested look ‘sad and pathetic’ whilst all the white folks he went on to mention were ‘defiant’. It boggles my brain beyond all levels of reasonable comprehension that there are people out there who do not see Trump as the sad and pathetic one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 16 hours ago, nick76 said: Most gunmen tend to enter building via the front door so this seems a bit of a waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 The Trump campaign raises $7.1m in sales of merchandise with his mugshot in it. Will cover a few trips in his private jet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted August 27, 2023 Author Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) On 25/08/2023 at 17:09, mjmooney said: Are the white racist good ol' boys going to support a brown guy called Ramaswamy? No. But he's useful to them as cover for their racism as long as he remains a public figure on the far right. Edited August 27, 2023 by maqroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted August 27, 2023 Administrator Share Posted August 27, 2023 Quote But one provision in the constitution, section 3 of the 14th amendment, makes things more complicated. It says that no person who has taken an oath “as an officer of the United States” can hold office if they “have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof”. That language disqualifies Trump from running for office because of his efforts to overturn the 2020 election, two prominent conservative scholars, William Baude of the University of Chicago and Michael Stokes Paulsen of the University of St Thomas, concluded in a much-discussed article to be published the University of Pennsylvania Law Review. “The bottom line is that Donald Trump ‘engaged in insurrection or rebellion’ and gave ‘aid or comfort’ to others engaging in such conduct, within the original meaning of those terms as employed in section 3 of the 14th amendment,” Baude and Paulsen wrote in their 126-page article, which traces the history and original understanding of the amendment. “If the public record is accurate, the case is not even close.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/20/trump-disqualified-constitution-section-3-14th-amendment There's much more in the article. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 hour ago, limpid said: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/20/trump-disqualified-constitution-section-3-14th-amendment There's much more in the article. Surely Trump’s Supreme Court would just strike down any such challenge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted August 27, 2023 Administrator Share Posted August 27, 2023 26 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Surely Trump’s Supreme Court would just strike down any such challenge? The court his handlers packed with originalists? They were only placed because they believe that the constitution is inviolable (so no rights unless you are a white male). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 24 minutes ago, limpid said: The court his handlers packed with originalists? They were only placed because they believe that the constitution is inviolable (so no rights unless you are a white male). How about orange? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 Just seen the Trump Georgia case is going to be livestreamed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nick76 Posted September 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2023 I’ve seen it before but don’t know if on here 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted September 12, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 12, 2023 You know when Trump was impeached, or even Clinton before him, everyone knew exactly why and it had been talked about for months on end prior to the actual announcement Here you don't know why and it's just been announced, it's a bit of a mystery. You'd expect these credible events to be in the public domain, unless of course.... its just a load of bollocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_serpente Posted September 12, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 12, 2023 The GOP strategy is to keep hammering home to voters who don't pay close attention that there's an equivalency between Trump's various shady dealings and Biden's connections to his son's shady dealings, and it's working. I forget the percentages, but polls show that the vast majority of Republicans and even a majority of all voters believe that Biden has been involved in Hunter's business and something like 3/4 of Republicans believe there's irrefutable evidence Biden has actually accepted bribes. They slip it in the narrative any time they can. Tucker Carlson's replacement was predictably slamming Biden for not being at Ground Zero yesterday to commemorate 9/11 and commented that he was on his way home from sucking up to the country he's taken massive bribes from. They know they've got nothing linking Biden to any corruption related to Hunter's business and they're probably not going to uncover anything, but they don't care. They don't need to. One GOP rep justified the inquiry by saying the public deserves to see all the evidence and this will help us get it out there. The TV host responded by asking, "Isn't the evidence supposed lead to impeachment rather than the other way around?" She didn't seem to worry that she'd been owned logically because it was CNN or some other non-Trump network and that's not really her target audience anyway. One huge difference between Dems and the GOP is that the GOP realizes that in the age of short attention spans where disinformation can easily be spread via social media and people's information sources- particularly the MAGA crowd's'-- tend to be siloed, you don't need the facts to back you up if you can make a perception stick. This is particularly true if you have no shame in being caught in a lie. The Dems are for the most part still operating in the age where you need something to back up your assertions. Yet the GOP and their propaganda organs are fairly successfully painting the Dems as the ones who are railroading Trump and his allies over nothing for purely political reasons in the eyes of MAGA land and an alarming number of non-Trumpists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Hunter biden indicted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted September 14, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Hunter biden indicted The only thing the right wingers can get him on is something to do with guns is very ironic. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_serpente Posted September 14, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 14, 2023 33 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: The only thing the right wingers can get him on is something to do with guns is very ironic. Is that the end of it, though? I thought his collapsed plea deal also included some tax charges. Seems odd that the (typically reduced) charges from a plea deal would drop out completely. I suspect there's more to come. Won't stop the right from claiming that Joe intervened to protect him. Nothing short of Joe being indicted himself would stop that. If it was even a remote possibility it would be fun watching their mental gymnastics in trying to justify why a current or former president should be able to be indicted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, TheAuthority said: The only thing the right wingers can get him on is something to do with guns is very ironic. To be fair though if it was a right winger im sure he would be getying criticised. He done wrong and getting punished for it. Seems hunter was a bit of a junkie back in the day Edited September 14, 2023 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: To be fair though if it was a right winger im sure he would be getying criticised. Nobody is saying he shouldn't be getting prosecuted though? To me, his political leaning is irrelevant, he's not a politician or a public figure in any way. If he's broken the law he should be treated like anyone else, but the smear jobs and fishing expeditions over the last few years from the republicans unable to pin anything on Joe Biden are pathetic. If he broke the law, he should be prosecuted, simple as that, but using him as ammo to attack his father is a bit tasteless IMO There was a fair amount of criticism and attention towards Trump's family, but only because he directly involved them in his administration. Edited September 14, 2023 by Davkaus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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