U.S. Politics

[Davkaus]

Holy shit.

I've had a few arguments with trans acquaintances thinking they were being way OTT talking about eradication, and this piece of shit just openly talks about it and gets cheered on a political stage. Horrifying.

[Davkaus]

When he talks about eradicating trans ideology, how do you do that without eradicating trans people? You don't.

If they're comfortable calling for the eradication of "trans ideology" what is next? Gay ideology? Muslim ideology? Socialist ideology?

They want to turn America into a Christofascist state. This scumbag and his allies are going to get people murdered.

[StefanAVFC]

Imagine the same sentence with Judaism and then the defence being they just want to get rid of Judaism and not Jews. 
 

3 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

When he talks about eradicating trans ideology, how do you do that without eradicating trans people? You don't.

If they're comfortable calling for the eradication of "trans ideology" what is next? Gay ideology? Muslim ideology? Socialist ideology?

They want to turn America into a Christofascist state. This scumbag and his allies are going to get people murdered.

exactly this

arm the population

stir up hatred using genocidal rhetoric 

People get killed

wring hands and give thoughts and prayers

the world is going to get a lot worse before it gets better

[villakram]

5 hours ago, Davkaus said:

When he talks about eradicating trans ideology, how do you do that without eradicating trans people? You don't.

If they're comfortable calling for the eradication of "trans ideology" what is next? Gay ideology? Muslim ideology? Socialist ideology?

They want to turn America into a Christofascist state. This scumbag and his allies are going to get people murdered.

Careful here in how you interpret this. 

Eradicating Communist ideology didn't mean getting rid of all USSR citizens nor did wanting rid of Corbyns socialist ideology mean eliminating him and his supporters.

Though I am sure there are some who think that way.... language over here and the aggressive way it is used is somewhat different to how things are done in the UK. 

This means nothin regarding how offensive etc. these comments obviously are.

[villakram]

So Ron has a book coming out and is heading to New Hampshire/Iowa to promote "it" in the next week or so.

[nick76]

2 hours ago, villakram said:

Careful here in how you interpret this. 

Eradicating Communist ideology didn't mean getting rid of all USSR citizens nor did wanting rid of Corbyns socialist ideology mean eliminating him and his supporters.

Though I am sure there are some who think that way.... language over here and the aggressive way it is used is somewhat different to how things are done in the UK. 

This means nothin regarding how offensive etc. these comments obviously are.

But it’s not!  That’s the whole problem…you have people saying these things and they are saying what they are saying and then people are getting hurt and it’s not just a few getting hurt.  

Then you see the follow up to the speeches and they say “we didn’t mean that”, “taken out of context” blah blah blah but then you listen to supporters en mass and they have taken it just like we are taking it and people are getting hurt from transgenderism, LGBTQ, Asian, immigrants….I mean the greatest example is the Jan 6th, where the “aggressive” words before that day and the speeches packed with it caused those disgraceful actions and people got hurt and died but then the usual garbage came out of “we didn’t mean fight, we meant fight through legal challenges”,”we said peaceful” once but 100 times aggressive”…so no, I’m an outsider looking in on the U.S. and language means the same and apologists are just making it worse.  

Words have the same effect whether in UK, Australia or America…just in America it’s defended more in the mainstream by semantics or language caveats…the public/supporters still get the message and are acting on it…and that gets people hurt.

[sidcow]

3 hours ago, villakram said:

Careful here in how you interpret this. 

Eradicating Communist ideology didn't mean getting rid of all USSR citizens nor did wanting rid of Corbyns socialist ideology mean eliminating him and his supporters.

Though I am sure there are some who think that way.... language over here and the aggressive way it is used is somewhat different to how things are done in the UK. 

This means nothin regarding how offensive etc. these comments obviously are.

That's bollocks on a number of levels but for a start off not all Russian people are Communist, not all socialists are full on Corbynites. 

All Trans people are Trans. It's a highly specific attack on a very specific group of people. It's not an ideology, it's an actual group of human beings. 

[StefanAVFC]

Yep you can't eliminate the 'ideology' without eliminating the people.

When it comes to political ideologies, you can. 

We don't need to be careful here.

[Rolta]

4 hours ago, villakram said:

Careful here in how you interpret this. 

Eradicating Communist ideology didn't mean getting rid of all USSR citizens nor did wanting rid of Corbyns socialist ideology mean eliminating him and his supporters.

Though I am sure there are some who think that way.... language over here and the aggressive way it is used is somewhat different to how things are done in the UK. 

This means nothin regarding how offensive etc. these comments obviously are.

I've said it before but you do chat a lot of bollocks! Your excuse making and mental gymnastics are, as always, a site to behold.

Edited March 6, 2023 by Rolta

[StefanAVFC]

In other totally sane Trans news:

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The proposed bill would expand "Don't Say Gay" from the current law of K-3rd grade - through 8th grade, and possible through all of high school.

Also, "employees of public schools shall be prohibited from referring to a student by his or her preferred pronouns if they do not correspond to that person's sex."

They'd make it illegal for a teacher to call the kid anything other than their birth sex. That'll go totally fine.

[magnkarl]

There’s nothing quite like Trump having two people show up to his ‘yuuuge’ speeches at the CPAC. It seems the party isn’t prepared to deal with his bullshit to the same extent anymore.

[villakram]

8 hours ago, Rolta said:

I've said it before but you do chat a lot of bollocks! Your excuse making and mental gymnastics are, as always, a site to behold.

Personal attacks, charming. 

Language is not universal, it is fundamentally social and cultural. Hence, how some resort to constant bickering and ad hominems to advance a point when something more serious is being discussed.

Perhaps add something useful, e.g., @StefanAVFC sharp point above regarding the clear distinction between ideology (e.g., Russian history people, culture etc.) and political ideology (communism) or we could do freedom and democracy, where everyone gets a chance vs the capitalist monstrosity that is US political culture. Remember during the Idiot Bush years how we continuously told ourselves to hate the government not the American people.

 

[villakram]

7 hours ago, StefanAVFC said:

In other totally sane Trans news:

They'd make it illegal for a teacher to call the kid anything other than their birth sex. That'll go totally fine.

Speech laws are all the rage in the modern world. The political left opened this box, reactions and responses are inevitable. 

Much like guns, it is very unfortunate how rare and infrequent things are latched onto and the only discussion occurring are w.r.t. to these.

K-8 are up to typically age 14, so clearly there will be emerging issues with teens going through puberty. There are very few people/teachers actually against treating a 10-14 yr old with compassion and understanding... we are not allowed to talk about that though.

One hopes this culture war stuff abates in coming years.

[El Zen]

11 minutes ago, villakram said:

Speech laws are all the rage in the modern world. The political left opened this box, reactions and responses are inevitable. 

Much like guns, it is very unfortunate how rare and infrequent things are latched onto and the only discussion occurring are w.r.t. to these.

K-8 are up to typically age 14, so clearly there will be emerging issues with teens going through puberty. There are very few people/teachers actually against treating a 10-14 yr old with compassion and understanding... we are not allowed to talk about that though.

One hopes this culture war stuff abates in coming years.

How so, Bill?

[Rolta]

22 minutes ago, villakram said:

Personal attacks, charming. 

Language is not universal, it is fundamentally social and cultural. Hence, how some resort to constant bickering and ad hominems to advance a point when something more serious is being discussed.

Perhaps add something useful, e.g., @StefanAVFC sharp point above regarding the clear distinction between ideology (e.g., Russian history people, culture etc.) and political ideology (communism) or we could do freedom and democracy, where everyone gets a chance vs the capitalist monstrosity that is US political culture. Remember during the Idiot Bush years how we continuously told ourselves to hate the government not the American people.

 

Maybe I went in a bit harsh, which I do apologise for, but I think in this instance especially you were being silly.

[sidcow]

14 minutes ago, Rolta said:

Maybe I went in a bit harsh, which I do apologise for, but I think in this instance especially you were being silly.

Not sure how offence could have been taken, after all language over there and the aggressive way it is used is somewhat different to how things are done in the UK

[villakram]

2 hours ago, Rolta said:

Maybe I went in a bit harsh, which I do apologise for, but I think in this instance especially you were being silly.

Perhaps, or maybe I live here and see the discussions that are occurring. They are different in tenor to those occurring in the UK, e.g., "woke" has been a term of common usage over here for a long time, whereas it only arrived over there with the Brexit British culture brigade. 

Let's think of the gun debate. No, absolutely none, zero chance new gun laws are to be allowed as any slippage is an inch given and they will take a mile. 

This is a debate we are all familiar with and most of us shake our heads at the senselessness of it. Polling of Americans by pollsters from across the spectrum reveal that a large majority of Americans (and even NRA members) favor enhanced gun control legislation. Apparently, doesn't matter a jot.

Now, see the culture war in this light and appreciate what is going on. It's obviously senseless and straight-up shameful, but it is a well worn strategy that has born previous success. Hence, the identification of the trans-rights issue as an inch.

None of this is helped by the social media world we live in where for every hair-brained fear someone on the right has or is told about, there is someone on the left who actually thinks that way and shouts lots about it online... and vice-versa.

[maqroll]

I'm starting to get that sense of dread setting in again as the prez campaign ramps up. Things are going to get really chaotic and ugly. 

[Vancvillan]

7 hours ago, maqroll said:

I'm starting to get that sense of dread setting in again as the prez campaign ramps up. Things are going to get really chaotic and ugly. 

This, along with Florida **** up the vote are the only two sure things in the next election cycle.

[villakram]

Tucker Carlson kicking up a right hornets nest with publishing vids for the Jan 6th event. Official media is very unhappy to see secret government security state data be brought into the cold light of day (it's not there yet, hopefully fox force him to release everything publicly rather that the edits revealed thus far). 

 

Meanwhile, in D.C. our fearless leaders, in welcome but rare display of cross party unity, plough forward in their efforts to save us from the evil Chinese tiktoc. Too many eyes I guess.