sidcow Posted May 3, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, maqroll said: I'd love to see a "Union of Progressive States" with a parliamentary system. Will never happen but it's nice to daydream about. Hmmm. Union of Progressive States, or UPS for short. They should certainly deliver for you. Edited May 3, 2022 by sidcow 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted May 3, 2022 Author Share Posted May 3, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, El Zen said: Would be an odd-looking map, though. Yep. But the US is already an odd map with Alaska and Hawaii and the other little colony states. Internet and flight make that fractured map less of a problem. I could also envision a union with Canada which would link the coasts. Edited May 3, 2022 by maqroll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted May 3, 2022 Author Share Posted May 3, 2022 The harsh reality though is that such an arrangement would condemn left wing people living in conservative states to the whims of the people in power there. Southern whites would try to bring back slavery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_serpente Posted May 3, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, maqroll said: The harsh reality though is that such an arrangement would condemn left wing people living in conservative states to the whims of the people in power there. Southern whites would try to bring back slavery. Yeah, it's not so much red states and blue states. It's more states where the blue urban areas have a greater total population than the red rural areas and vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, maqroll said: The harsh reality though is that such an arrangement would condemn left wing people living in conservative states to the whims of the people in power there. Southern whites would try to bring back slavery. The good people of Austin, Texas would, ironically, have to build a big ass wall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted May 3, 2022 Author Share Posted May 3, 2022 Yeah, we are all so integrated with each other it would make a split really ugly and could probably trigger violence. So it's damned if you do or don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 1 hour ago, maqroll said: I could also envision a union with Canada which would link the coasts. I suspect, not if the Canadians have anything to say about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted May 3, 2022 Author Share Posted May 3, 2022 1 minute ago, fruitvilla said: I suspect, not if the Canadians have anything to say about it. I was thinking way down the road, like in 60 years. The China spectre looms large on global geopolitics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 6 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: Its very much like apartheid. A hard right white is increasingly aware it is becoming the minority voice so has to seize the apparatus of power and push their agenda to everyone. and their religious idol they worship, if was real today they would reject, ridicule and want to deported because he would’ve been very different to what they think he would’ve been if real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 1 minute ago, maqroll said: I was thinking way down the road, like in 60 years. The China spectre looms large on global geopolitics. Well perhaps ... but there were six million Trump voters in California alone last time around. Even the small liberal States really need to get a grip on these people who will vote for the 'devil' just because some imagined god given principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 3, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3, 2022 On reflection we probably should have sent some normal people over there and not just the wild eyed zealot religious dissenters 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, nick76 said: A bit simplistic ... I have met Americans who voted for Trump, they were good people, not racist, salt of the Earth types, and well educated who want secure borders, government taxes spent wisely, have a fear of socialism, and probably infected by religious principles. They are not the stereotypical QAnon storming the Capitol types. Just waxing lyrical for the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 18 minutes ago, fruitvilla said: A bit simplistic ... I have met Americans who voted for Trump, they were good people, not racist, salt of the Earth types, and well educated who want secure borders, government taxes spent wisely, have a fear of socialism, and probably infected by religious principles. They are not the stereotypical QAnon storming the Capitol types. Just waxing lyrical for the moment. True but even by the points you make of people you have met they would’ve rejected the real Jesus because of his background being a homeless foreign poor refugee and his views which would’ve been the opposite of Trump Republican voters views. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 1 hour ago, fruitvilla said: A bit simplistic ... I have met Americans who voted for Trump, they were good people, not racist, salt of the Earth types, and well educated who want secure borders, government taxes spent wisely, have a fear of socialism, and probably infected by religious principles. They are not the stereotypical QAnon storming the Capitol types. Just waxing lyrical for the moment. And they'll forever vote republican, even when the candidate is a scumbag. 80% at least cannot be moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 53 minutes ago, nick76 said: they would’ve rejected the real Jesus Well I suppose it depends on what you mean by the real Jesus. But I suspect it is similar for a good portion of Brits ... exhibit A: Brexit. they bought into into the crappy rhetoric. UK has ceased to be a "Christian Nation". Doesn't mean people automatically make wiser choices. My point remains, it's not that simple. It's like the question are you a better than average driver? Similarly are we better than average evaluating evidence? We all have our blind spots, for God's sake some of us thought Tammy would not have been a prospect. The people I am pointing to are really well educated and experienced. I might find them misguided but definitely not "bad" in some way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 7 hours ago, fruitvilla said: Well I suppose it depends on what you mean by the real Jesus. But I suspect it is similar for a good portion of Brits ... exhibit A: Brexit. they bought into into the crappy rhetoric. UK has ceased to be a "Christian Nation". Doesn't mean people automatically make wiser choices. My point remains, it's not that simple. It's like the question are you a better than average driver? Similarly are we better than average evaluating evidence? We all have our blind spots, for God's sake some of us thought Tammy would not have been a prospect. The people I am pointing to are really well educated and experienced. I might find them misguided but definitely not "bad" in some way. Never said they were bad, I just said they worship an idol that if had been real and they met today as a Middle Eastern, poor, brown, refugee with the likely views he would have the Trump Republican voter would reject him and ridicule him as some poor immigrant trying to get into the country and with what they would view as socialist ideas. I’m not saying trump voters as stupid, horrible people in this conversation. Discussions about that can be had elsewhere. My sole point was that the Jesus they worship, if was real today they would reject based on their trump Republican views, which is hysterical I’m not sure what you are bringing to the argument with the last paragraph because it seems a little off topic from the point I was making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, Straggler said: Nearly Half of Republicans Now Think Top Democrats Are Running Pedophile Cabals How do you even begin to reach out to a country that has become totally untethered from the truth? Even 13% of Joe Biden voters believe it, God knows how they managed to go out and vote for him. I can only assume that the 13% is the Democrat pro child sex trafficking wing of the party. Food for thought for the "it's the left that have got more extreme" conversation. That 13% of Biden voters 'believe' it should probably tip us off that some of the people answering 'yes' to that question may not have been entirely serious when doing so. Edited May 4, 2022 by HanoiVillan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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