Chindie Posted March 2, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted March 2, 2020 I don't see anyone in the Democratic ranks who is going to persuade the people that switched from Obama to Trump to switch back. Certainly not someone who can have the word 'socialist' hurled at him, whose response is 'not that kind of socialist', who also isn't a fan of Israel, and is Jewish but not really religious. Ain't happening. I mean I like the guy, but Sanders chance at being in the Oval Office next year is basically nil. Trump will get his second term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, Chindie said: I don't see anyone in the Democratic ranks who is going to persuade the people that switched from Obama to Trump to switch back. Certainly not someone who can have the word 'socialist' hurled at him, whose response is 'not that kind of socialist', who also isn't a fan of Israel, and is Jewish but not really religious. Ain't happening. I mean I like the guy, but Sanders chance at being in the Oval Office next year is basically nil. Trump will get his second term. a] He wouldn't necessarily need to win back the people that switched from Obama to Trump (there are obviously lots of different ways in which you can build an election-winning coalition) b] Being 'not a fan of Israel' is unlikely to matter, since hardly anybody votes on foreign policy, and anyone who votes based on pure love of Israel will be voting Republican no matter what c] His chances, once again, are not 'basically nil'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 2, 2020 Moderator Share Posted March 2, 2020 38 minutes ago, Chindie said: I don't see anyone in the Democratic ranks who is going to persuade the people that switched from Obama to Trump to switch back. Certainly not someone who can have the word 'socialist' hurled at him, whose response is 'not that kind of socialist', who also isn't a fan of Israel, and is Jewish but not really religious. Ain't happening. I mean I like the guy, but Sanders chance at being in the Oval Office next year is basically nil. Trump will get his second term. There's a poll out today or yesterday that says Democrats in Texas (I know) prefer to see the word Socialist rather than Capitalist Here it is... also California Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 2, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted March 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: a] He wouldn't necessarily need to win back the people that switched from Obama to Trump (there are obviously lots of different ways in which you can build an election-winning coalition) b] Being 'not a fan of Israel' is unlikely to matter, since hardly anybody votes on foreign policy, and anyone who votes based on pure love of Israel will be voting Republican no matter what c] His chances, once again, are not 'basically nil'. I would certainly expect it would easier to try to win back former Democrat voters than on hopes on increasing turnouts. His position on Israel I mention less as a first order reason for voters to not support Sanders, but more that it's going to be another attack line to push people against him in the inevitable death by a thousand cuts tactic that will come if he is the candidate. It'll be another avenue of critique to go along with 'socialism', and budgets, and incredulity at his social reform plans and associated costs, and etc etc etc. And of course there's a chance for a Democratic win. I'm not speaking literally. It's obviously an opinion. In my opinion it's exceedingly unlikely a Democratic candidate will win the election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 2, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted March 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, bickster said: There's a poll out today or yesterday that says Democrats in Texas (I know) prefer to see the word Socialist rather than Capitalist Here it is... also California Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 22 minutes ago, Chindie said: I would certainly expect it would easier to try to win back former Democrat voters than on hopes on increasing turnouts. Those aren't the only two ways (you could also benefit from the other side's turnout decreasing more, or your side winning over more of a different group of voters). However, this seems to be less of an opinion than an irritable gesture at this point, so I'll leave it there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) Amy Klobuchar pulling out as well apparently. Putting her support to Biden Edited March 2, 2020 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 2, 2020 Moderator Share Posted March 2, 2020 No one has an idea how the CoVID-19 outbreak is going to affect things either, the response from the Trump Govt so far seems... like it'll kill a lot of his base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, bickster said: No one has an idea how the CoVID-19 outbreak is going to affect things either, the response from the Trump Govt so far seems... like it'll kill a lot of his base Yup, heard it referred to as Trump's Katrina earlier this morning, lot's of potential in that one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 A virus like this is more likely to impact those living in cities than in rural areas so I would have thought it would disproportionately impact Democrat voters over Republicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 2, 2020 Moderator Share Posted March 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, LondonLax said: A virus like this is more likely to impact those living in cities than in rural areas so I would have thought it would disproportionately impact Democrat voters over Republicans. Northern Italy says Hi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted March 3, 2020 Author Share Posted March 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Chindie said: I don't see anyone in the Democratic ranks who is going to persuade the people that switched from Obama to Trump to switch back. Certainly not someone who can have the word 'socialist' hurled at him, whose response is 'not that kind of socialist', who also isn't a fan of Israel, and is Jewish but not really religious. Ain't happening. I mean I like the guy, but Sanders chance at being in the Oval Office next year is basically nil. Trump will get his second term. Sanders beats Trump in current national polling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted March 3, 2020 Author Share Posted March 3, 2020 13 hours ago, Chindie said: Gen Z and Millennial voters of a more diverse racial background have sussed out the bullshit better than Gen X and Boomers ever did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted March 3, 2020 Moderator Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, maqroll said: Gen Z and Millennial voters of a more diverse racial background have sussed out the bullshit better than Gen X and Boomers ever did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Latest stats out this morn showing Fox news steaming ahead in the ratings war, with both CNN/MSNBC suffering. Likely says more about demographics than anything else, but worth bearing in mind that echo chambers work on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 15 hours ago, maqroll said: Sanders beats Trump in current national polling. Did that 4 years ago too... DNC, Mayor Pete and Amy going all in on fooking Biden! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 3, 2020 Moderator Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, villakram said: Did that 4 years ago too Sanders wasn't close to winning the race 4 years ago so I don't exactly get your point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, bickster said: Sanders wasn't close to winning the race 4 years ago so I don't exactly get your point! He was beating/competing with Trump/A.N.Other in polls both in primary season and of course polls done after the disaster that was the Clinton campaign. The after the fact are of course biased, but just trying to point out that he has been polling well for years, not that it makes any difference whatsoever to those in control at the DNC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted March 3, 2020 Author Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) In line to vote for Bernie Tragically, I have to register as a Democrat to do it. Edited March 3, 2020 by maqroll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted March 3, 2020 Author Share Posted March 3, 2020 An hour waiting in line and they run out of ballots! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts