Popular Post maqroll Posted August 28, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2017 @Czechlad I'm sure I speak for all of VT- Good luck to you and your family, and stay safe. 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 Low lying cities near the coast are going to have to get used to this sort of catastrophic storm damage. Meteorologists are saying this Texas disaster is directly linked to global warming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 12 minutes ago, maqroll said: Low lying cities near the coast are going to have to get used to this sort of catastrophic storm damage. Meteorologists are saying this Texas disaster is directly linked to global warming. Not denying your statement, but giving some insight of what is happening weather wise. So basically when I flew into Houston, we were looking at a tropical storm hitting us. That isn't bad. Just some heavy rain. The air from north texas held the tropical storm in the gulf of texas where it strengthen a lot. It went from a tropical storm to a Category 4 hurricane in 1-2 days. Then since the air was still pushing the hurricane south, the storm was extremely slow moving. When Harvey hit Texas, it was only moving 2 mph. That means that cities were getting hurricane rain and winds for 12-18 hours straight. My home has literally be getting torrential rain for nearly 4 days straight now. It basically never stops raining. It does calm down, at times, but the rain is still a steady downpour. Harvey is currently in the gulf again gaining strength, and it is supposed to come back to houston for a 2nd round this wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) Before and after Edited August 28, 2017 by Czechlad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 I read that they're getting a typical year's worth of rain in a matter of 4 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 9 hours ago, LondonLax said: It's a hell of a Chinese hoax. This went over my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted August 28, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 minute ago, maqroll said: This went over my head I believe Trump claimed that climate change was a hoax put about by the Chinese to hamstring U.S. industry and allow them to gain an advantage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Folks, please do not go and claim that this is a direct result of climate change. This simply plays right into the hands of those in denial. Statistically speaking we might expect more hurricanes but whether this is in absolute number or higher intensity or both is unknown. There is no way to prove that human engineered rapid change in the climate is responsible for this particular hurricane. These types of events have occurred previously and it's likely that they are now so damaging due in large part to (a) our ability to record them in unprecedented detail, and (b) too damn many of us are living in the most ridiculous flood prone areas due to $$ grabbing neoliberal economic policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Czechlad said: Before and after jeez, is this your backyard? and I've read that they've opened the spillways on 2 dams and are still uncertain as to if they'll hold. Also, the latest model runs put 10-12" on New Orleans and their infrastructure will not be able to handle that resulting in potentially catastrophic flooding there too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, villakram said: Folks, please do not go and claim that this is a direct result of climate change. This simply plays right into the hands of those in denial. Statistically speaking we might expect more hurricanes but whether this is in absolute number or higher intensity or both is unknown. There is no way to prove that human engineered rapid change in the climate is responsible for this particular hurricane. These types of events have occurred previously and it's likely that they are now so damaging due in large part to (a) our ability to record them in unprecedented detail, and (b) too damn many of us are living in the most ridiculous flood prone areas due to $$ grabbing neoliberal economic policy. There's an article here which explains that the effect is not on the number of storms, but on their characteristics. Quote ...In conclusion, while we cannot say climate change “caused” Hurricane Harvey (that is an ill-posed question), we can say is that it exacerbated several characteristics of the storm in a way that greatly increased the risk of damage and loss of life. Climate change worsened the impact of Hurricane Harvey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 28, 2017 Moderator Share Posted August 28, 2017 But the ongoing slow sinking of Miami is probably a better example of the effects of climate change rather than these sudden extreme weather events. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 The meteorologists have had to add new colours to the rain maps to be able to represent the rainfall in this weather event. They had to do the same thing last Southern Hemisphere summer to represent the new high temperatures being recorded in central Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, villakram said: jeez, is this your backyard? and I've read that they've opened the spillways on 2 dams and are still uncertain as to if they'll hold. Also, the latest model runs put 10-12" on New Orleans and their infrastructure will not be able to handle that resulting in potentially catastrophic flooding there too That's where my sister is. They have mandatory evacuation, but literally can't leave. The road out of the street is under water. Edited August 28, 2017 by Czechlad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, Czechlad said: That's where my sister is. They have mandatory evacuation, but literally can't leave. The road out of the street is under water. Do they have access to a small watercraft or any floating devices if it comes to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 28 minutes ago, maqroll said: Do they have access to a small watercraft or any floating devices if it comes to that? They do not sadly. Their plan is to go up to the 2nd story of their home and hope to be rescued. Since their creek has turned into a river, people are actually taking their boats on it to help people. What is really unfortunate is my sister's fiancee's parents had rented half their house to a bachelorette party so there is about 20+ of them in the home trapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 8 minutes ago, Czechlad said: They do not sadly. Their plan is to go up to the 2nd story of their home and hope to be rescued. Since their creek has turned into a river, people are actually taking their boats on it to help people. What is really unfortunate is my sister's fiancee's parents had rented half their house to a bachelorette party so there is about 20+ of them in the home trapped. Wow, that's nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 It's supposed to rain in New Orleans straight through Sunday, they're going to have a serious problem again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 @Czechlad I wish you and all your family the very best. Good luck and stay as safe as you can. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I was planning this years holiday back at the start of the year to go away next week. It was a coin toss between going back to New Orleans or Vegas. We chose Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, maqroll said: Low lying cities near the coast are going to have to get used to this sort of catastrophic storm damage. Meteorologists are saying this Texas disaster is directly linked to global warming. I don't think they can get used to it financially or psychologically. Flat ground, global warming and cartoon houses and buildings (think little piggies) then there is a point I suppose where they won't get insurance. The impact on the US economy (Markets) is a hit that they can IMO take on the chin once a decade at a push but each storm will create bigger and more violent market reaction which is not good for anyone. They could get another one more powerful in a month, 6 weeks or in exactly 12 months. You can't beat nature, even the mighty USA. Maybe they are going to build a wall in the wrong place :-) There must be a cost / benefit problem of blindly throwing billions and billions at this only to do it all over again ? Also, they all sound so surprised as well, the Gulf spits these out now and again in every increasing quantities. (I had a dream about the storm last night, I lived there & my house was made of wood but it detached from the ground and floated, is this from a book or something, Dahl??:-)) Edited August 29, 2017 by Amsterdam_Neil_D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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