StefanAVFC Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, blandy said: OK, let me try and persuade you, using your own Trump quote What's he saying there? Well, what he's saying is this: It comes across at first read or listen as garbled gibberish, but there's intent and message and little signals in all the stuff he says, sometimes blatant, sometimes concealed. He's a good persuader of people who just hear "triggers" - I am smart, women are smart, Iranian leaders are smart, work hard, self made man, conservative republicans can't help but slate me - like they slate you and lie to you. Iran, behave or else. I disagree, not with everything but generally. I agree; I think he goes in with an idea of what he wants to say and has triggers to get his supporters riled up (or rather his team do), but then goes off on a tangent halfway through each sentence. He's like Alpha in Up! "Speech speech speech speech SQUIRREL" He has some incredibly clever people around him. I firmly believe KellyAnne alone won him the election. I can't stand her, but she's a brilliant manager and spin-doctor. I mean, only this year she was slagging Trump off for his business practises and once appointed, she did a ridiculously good and efficient job. Originally, I believed he was smart and knew what he was doing at every step, but as time has gone on, I believe he's a narcissist who can't resist opening his gob. His team take credit for Trump's successes rather than Trump himself. Textbook narcissist. Edited December 31, 2016 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted December 31, 2016 Moderator Share Posted December 31, 2016 23 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: she did a ridiculously good and efficient job. Yes, I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 An interesting few pages. IMO I'd agree that "there all at it" with regards to hacking each other but it's difficult to think of another election that has been "influenced" in this way. For sure the bigger powers meddle with the smaller countries/governments they don't like but I'd love to hear as to whether it has happened between two states as big as Russia and US. Maybe it has and no one got caught as AWOL said. I guess it is just the brazenness of this that makes it seem so effed up. Western democracy is in such a sorry state at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 'Twas a criticism of the tone rather than the content which is often interesting so I shouldn't get too worried 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 5 minutes ago, villaglint said: 'Twas a criticism of the tone Is that your special nickname for him? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 37 minutes ago, villaglint said: For sure the bigger powers meddle with the smaller countries/governments they don't like but I'd love to hear as to whether it has happened between two states as big as Russia and US. Maybe it has and no one got caught as AWOL said. I guess it is just the brazenness of this that makes it seem so effed up. Western democracy is in such a sorry state at the moment. I only meant everyone is at the spying business by various means. Agree with you that it's pretty astonishing for the US to have been the receiver rather than the giver of electoral skullduggery - and also more subtle than the American MO given the absence of dead bodies and smoking bomb craters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 16 hours ago, villaglint said: I'd agree that "there all at it" .... I'd hate to agree with that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 @blandy lets play the latest installment of 'on-purpose' or 'incoherent rambles' Quote "Well, I just want them to be sure, because it's a pretty serious charge, and I want them to be sure. And if you look at the weapons of mass destruction, that was a disaster, and they were wrong. And so I want them to be sure. I think it's unfair if they don't know. And I know a lot about hacking. And hacking is a very hard thing to prove. So it could be somebody else. And I also know things that other people don't know, and so they cannot be sure of the situation," Trump responded when asked why he doubts intelligence reports of Russian hacking, according to pool reporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 1, 2017 Author Share Posted January 1, 2017 He can't help himself. He is going to be such a liability that the CIA must be formulating contingency plans as we speak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Donald Trump, a man who refers to The Cyber, knows a lot about hacking. Ok then, Donald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 55 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: @blandy lets play the latest installment of 'on-purpose' or 'incoherent rambles' Isn't that perfectly coherent? I'm not struggling to understand what he means in the slightest. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 1, 2017 Moderator Share Posted January 1, 2017 56 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: @blandy lets play the latest installment of 'on-purpose' or 'incoherent rambles' What's wrong with that? The Intelligence was wrong about Saddam's WMD, with horrendous consequences. I want to be absolutely sure they're right about the hackers He's basically casting doubt on the claims the Russians were behind it. They were, he knows they were, but that's not the point at issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 41 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Donald Trump, a man who refers to The Cyber, knows a lot about hacking. Ok then, Donald. He's in good company Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) "I know everything" "I want them to be sure" three times in five sentences. It's nonsense. We should be holding the POETUS than it just making sense. The syntax is a joke and that's why it's just bullshit rambling. Edited January 1, 2017 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 1, 2017 Moderator Share Posted January 1, 2017 21 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: "I want them to be sure" three times in five sentences. That's what makes it effective. This a good example. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 His presidential press conferences (if he ever actually does one) are going to be total car crashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 1, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2017 That kind of repetition is a very common oratory technique. Trump uses it with absolutely no subtlety though which should dishonourable diminish it's effectiveness, but it seems to tie into his talking like a complete simpleton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 I simply don't agree that his syntax is 'a complete joke'. If you look at samples of unplanned speech, transcribed as they were spoken, you will find that lots of people speak like this. It's not weird or abnormal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 1, 2017 Moderator Share Posted January 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, Chindie said: Trump uses it with absolutely no subtlety though which should dishonourable diminish it's effectiveness, but it seems to tie into his talking like a complete simpleton. It's both. Repetition doesn't need subtlety to be effective (see jingles) and the chaos of the rest of his speech makes your brain reach out for the words that you think will make sense of it, he structures sentences so that you have to find the word, and he often positions that word so that it's the only thing you take away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 It obviously works though as he's going to be the most powerful man in the world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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