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28 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

There's nothing racist about flying a conferederate flag, while wearing a white bedsheet over your head, and burning a cross on your neighbour's lawn.

Speaking of the KKK, it seems the Trump family's involvement with them goes back to 1927.

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... the particulars of the David Duke incident call to mind yet another news story, one that suggests that Trump's father, the late New York real estate titan Fred Trump, once wore the robe and hood of a Klansman...

 

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5 hours ago, StefanAVFC said:

They don't feel privileged though. That's the key. Trump ran an election based on how people feel and that's why he won.

Good point. and that article basically says the same thing. He tapped into fear and loathing, and never offered specific policy details.

Had they listened to Sanders with an open mind, they'd have understood he was speaking to them the whole time.

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1 minute ago, maqroll said:

Good point. and that article basically says the same thing. He tapped into fear and loathing, and never offered specific policy details.

Had they listened to Sanders with an open mind, they'd have understood he was speaking to them the whole time.

Is that Larry Saunders? 

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1 hour ago, Davkaus said:

 

It's a fair point, it;s a similar problem to our FPTP issues. What would you suggest instead, a raw popular vote poll?

I can't help but feel all of the issues in the Cracked article a few pages back are amplified tenfold when pretty much every election would be won by whoever appeals to voters in a few cities.

That's arguably better than it basically just coming down to Florida and Ohio every time though. Democracy is kind of hard to implement properly without **** a lot of people over.

In truth, the power of rural states in American politics is massively amplified by both the requirement of each state to have two senators, regardless of size, and the order in which states vote during the primary process. I would support a popular vote poll in the presidential race, yes. 

In terms of the issues in the article, they are fair comment but I can't logically see the benefit in trying to avoid potentially reducing the vote value of a small number of people by actually reducing the vote value of a much larger number of people.  

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2 hours ago, Davkaus said:

So did the swastika mate, it has a peaceful tradition going back thousands of years, but you just go and parade around with one in Germany and see what people think.

Buddhism. The Tian Tan Buddah in Hong Kong has a number of swastikas on it, it is a symbol of buddhism (albeit the symbol is reversed from the Nazi version).

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16 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

They didn't have much chance to, with the corrupt **** at the DNC making sure Clinton was the voice people heard.

Good point. Shameful stuff from the DNC, this is karma biting them back. 

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2 hours ago, peterms said:

Speaking of the KKK, it seems the Trump family's involvement with them goes back to 1927.

 

I thought sins of the father went out of fashion after Deuteronomy ? What other bible teachings shall we judge him on , coveting  his neighbours ox ? 

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10 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

I thought sins of the father went out of fashion after Deuteronomy ? What other bible teachings shall we judge him on , coveting  his neighbours ox ? 

Two things (beyond the KKK rejoicing in Trump's win): if he comes from a racist household that is an interesting and relevant point in his new role, given the deep racial divide in that unfortunate country, and people would rightly want to know whether and to what extent that has had an impact on him; and the theme of allegedly racist lettings policies seems to recur.  Did Trump not face action on this?  If I were a black american, I would be looking at this very warily.

And he probably does covet his neighbour's ox.  Wouldn't surprise me at all.

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5 hours ago, StefanAVFC said:

I understand the system and accept the result. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it. A candidate shouldn't be able to win the popular vote and lose an election. We have a similar system in the UK and I can't recall of any election where somebody won the popular vote and lost the GE.

As I said in my edit, I'd say exactly the same if Trump lost but won the popular vote.

I know and as I've said twice now, I'd say exactly the same if Trump lost but won the popular vote but lost the election.

It's a fundamental failure of democracy either way.

UKIP voters have zero representation in the UK parliament. Please comment on how you have fought for their rights, figuratively or literally.

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5 hours ago, tonyh29 said:

from memory , it's also the only hotel in Vegas without a Casino  ... that would be like opening a pub in Dublin and not serving alcohol

That's because the other casino owners ganged up on him to prevent him getting a casino licence. I've stayed there, nice hotel and a great place to stay of you're not interested in casino noise/smells.

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3 minutes ago, villakram said:

UKIP voters have zero representation in the UK parliament. Please comment on how you have fought for their rights, figuratively or literally.

Not sure why I'm the one fighting for the rights? I said I don't agree with it. Also you omitted greens from your post.

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19 minutes ago, Davkaus said:
4 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

Okay, I'll bite.

What links?

Funding them for starters. His brother is also linked to them. The Obama administration had a few brotherhood members on board. All part of the brotherhood objective. Maybe awol could shed some more light on it. Load of cobblers? Maybe, but it's something that has come to light.

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