villakram Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Trump... wow! Anyway, definitely worth reading the contents of the link below. There is a long and "distinguished" history of this kind of thing: Top 6 Times US government Excluded Millions based on Race or Religion. http://www.juancole.com/2015/12/government-excluded-religion.html "... These twin pathologies of racism and religious bigotry were implicated in a whole series of white, Christian supremacist laws aimed at excluding whole swathes of the world from immigration to the United States enacted between 1882 and 1924. Here are the highlights. Or, lowlights." Note the date of expiry of a number of these measures! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Mantis said: The problem here is that you're turning it into an argument about semantics when we both know what you meant. No. The problem is that you are continually putting words in my mouth in order that you can have an argument with yourself using me as a fake opponent. I would ask you to stop it, please. I wish I'd have followed the very sage general advice given out by Chindie a couple of hours ago. Edited December 9, 2015 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted December 9, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 9, 2015 26 minutes ago, Mantis said: we both know what you meant. I think perhaps only one of you does, (and it ain't you, Mantis).But could we all please move on from discussing what you "know" Snowy meant. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brendanvillatalk Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 It's worth noting that Trump may not be that popular anyway - even before his comments about Muslims. The headlines state that he is 'way out in front' in the polls. The latest (or a very recent one at least) CNN poll (http://www.cnn.com/.../donald-trump-poll-cnn-orc-national/) sampled 278 people and it was only 36% of those who said they would vote for Trump. I wonder if there is any poll with a decent sample size that shows Trump as popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 1 hour ago, snowychap said: The 100,000 plus people (now over 230k) who signed the petition are either British Citizens or residents of the UK. Actually, there's a map where you can view signatories by constituency according to the beeb: Have you signed it snowy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 8 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Have you signed it snowy? Most certainly not, Dem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 1 hour ago, snowychap said: No. The problem is that you are continually putting words in my mouth in order that you can have an argument with yourself using me as a fake opponent. I would ask you to stop it, please. I wish I'd have followed the very sage general advice given out by Chindie a couple of hours ago. I would ask you to stop motives into my head, please. 46 minutes ago, brendanvillatalk said: It's worth noting that Trump may not be that popular anyway - even before his comments about Muslims. The headlines state that he is 'way out in front' in the polls. The latest (or a very recent one at least) CNN poll (http://www.cnn.com/.../donald-trump-poll-cnn-orc-national/) sampled 278 people and it was only 36% of those who said they would vote for Trump. I wonder if there is any poll with a decent sample size that shows Trump as popular. Well, he is way out in front of the other Republican challengers at least but yeah I definitely can't see him winning a presidential election. The nightmare of course would be Sanders vs Trump but fortunately I can't see either winning their nominations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted December 9, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2015 He's a horrid old dick but banning someone from entering a country for being a dick is childish at best. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 It's arguable that his presence alone presents a security risk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 Or at least his hair 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 7 minutes ago, maqroll said: It's arguable that his presence alone presents a security risk Does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 To me, Trump is the perfect symbol for the old bloated whale of American white supremacy that is in the throes of death, but is determined to cause as much destruction as possible before it dies completely. Old white America is slipping away, and all his coded and not so coded language is red meat for those people who feel like their foothold is loosening, that their place in the hierarchy is shaky. It's an ugly spectacle. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 1 minute ago, Mantis said: Does it? One could argue that it is if one was bothered to 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brendanvillatalk Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 29 minutes ago, Mantis said: Well, he is way out in front of the other Republican challengers at least but yeah I definitely can't see him winning a presidential election. The nightmare of course would be Sanders vs Trump but fortunately I can't see either winning their nominations. My point is that 'way out in front' is very misleading when you only asked 278 people. How can 278 people possibly represent Republican voters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted December 9, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 9, 2015 This petition to keep Trump out is more than symbolic, he owns a lot of things in Scotland and he's over here a fair bit - it might well worry him. I haven't signed it - I have signed the one to take away his honorary degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted December 9, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 9, 2015 is it OBE. I mean you get petitions for everything these days. The twitterers and face bookers and outrageists create outrage storms and pointless petitions about almost anything. In this instance (as in most of his utterances he's showed himself to be a total bell end. His political party colleagues should (and have) slapped him down, but people petitioning to have someone banned for being a bell end....it's almost less than symbolic to me. It just indicates that people these days like to click on a link to register they don't like something. I sometimes do too, so I'm as bad as the rest, but it's mostly largely utterly pointless. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted December 9, 2015 Moderator Share Posted December 9, 2015 Maybe so, but happily, I can report that the one about the degree has proved successful - Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen has taken the honorary degree they gave him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) I see Trump's now thanking 'respected columnist' Katie Hopkins. Quote Thank you to respected columnist Katie Hopkins of Daily http://Mail.com for her powerful writing on the U.K.'s Muslim problems. Twitter link Edited December 10, 2015 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Its scary how many people are defending Trump. His words are very similar to Hitler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 21 hours ago, snowychap said: The 100,000 plus people (now over 230k) who signed the petition are either British Citizens or residents of the UK. Actually, there's a map where you can view signatories by constituency according to the beeb: Or at least they're people who are able to just Google a valid address and pretend it's theirs...Any kind of poll or petition that doesn't require some sort of validated unique token is vulnerable to vote hijacking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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