Popular Post fightoffyour Posted May 4, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2023 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 BBC are milking this as if Alex Ferguson has returned to the bench "Stop the supply to stop Haaland" Genius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hobsons Choice Posted May 5, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2023 16 hours ago, will87 said: Big Sam still with the big chip on his shoulder I see. He's from Dudley, like me. That's a defining character trait. I remember being really surprised when I found out years ago that he was from Dudley. He seems like he should be from somewhere in Yorkshire called Pisswhittle or something. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted May 5, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 5, 2023 How many do they have to lose by for him to get sacked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 On 04/05/2023 at 10:08, Demitri_C said: Did he seriously say he is up thwre with the likea of klopp arteta and pep in terms of football knowledge? Takes media focus off his players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 On 04/05/2023 at 08:32, desensitized43 said: I'd be interested to know why people think this. As you say in his early Bolton days he was a real pioneer of using statistical data and sports science to get the absolute most out of what he had available. In my opinion, it's really not fair to lump him into the Dyche, Pulis and Bruce category and certainly I wouldn't use the term "dinosaur" as others have (I would with the other 3 listed!). I think the data he was analysing told him how important set pieces were and the value he could get from defensive shape/drilling/organisation. I think he was the first to recognise that at the top level defenders were getting smaller, weaker but better on the ball and he could exploit that with a Kevin Davies style battering ram. When teams get promoted from the championship they aren't often the kinds of teams that are "built for survival" in the league. The kinds of teams that go up do so generally by being better on the ball rather than "agricultural" teams but when they go up they often need to change and adopt a more pragmatic style because there's so many teams in the prem that do it better. That transition is often really difficult to get right so they sack the guy that got them promoted and turn to someone like Allardyce who's done it before. In that way he's carved himself out a really nice niche - for which he can charge an absolute fortune! He's not an idiot and he's not a dinosaur and there's good reasons why he hasn't made it to the top of the game but I'm really not sure he ever wanted to make it there either. The word 'dinosaur' is just an insult so it doesn't have any objective description or characteristics, but FWIW I can't agree with your list. I don't see how Dyche can be more of one than Allardyce, given he's been managing more successfully in the league more recently. I also note that whether or not Allardyce was 'revolutionary' in his use of stats and dieting and so forth, the period in which he was 'a pioneer' was two decades ago. That's not really a knock, and I don't dislike the guy - I was On Here in 15/16 arguing we needed to sack Sherwood faster to get him in; we didn't, Sunderland did, and then they stayed up and we went down in ignominy. But then have they really had a better 8 seasons than we have since then? Overall I suppose it's not worth worrying too much about what it means, as the definition is so slippery. In as much as 'dinosaur' means anything, it seems to mean pragmatic, defence-minded and British. It is unclear to me why only British managers can be dinosaurs. The absolute number 1 most negative, cynical and percentage football I've ever seen in the top tier was Aitor Karanka's Middlesbrough, but you'd never hear anyone call him a 'dinosaur'. One thing I do think you're wrong about here though is the idea that Allardyce never wanted to make it to the top: he regularly talked about wanting to be England manager and accepted the chance when it came up, and he's made numerous 'imagine what I could do if I was in charge of Real Madrid'-type comments down the years. He's always been driven, and he's always had a bit of a chip on his shoulder. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Leeds put in a spirited performance yesterday didn't getcthw tonking that most expected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Just now, Demitri_C said: Leeds put in a spirited performance yesterday didn't getcthw tonking that most expected New manager bounce , it happens . They still got beat though . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Rugeley Villa said: New manager bounce , it happens . They still got beat though . City also have real madrid in the week and played a "weaker" team, just professionally saw the game out Still had 81% possession 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Haaland gave away a pen to Gündogan at 2-0 that he missed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DCJonah Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 On 07/05/2023 at 09:50, Demitri_C said: Leeds put in a spirited performance yesterday didn't getcthw tonking that most expected It could have been 6 quite easily. Haaland missed multiple chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 Bamford deleted his Twitter account after abuse from fans after he liked a tweet criticising fans who don't play football. Banter club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 On 05/05/2023 at 13:23, Pinebro said: Takes media focus off his players. I was never sure how that's supposed to work. They are professional athletes, and when faced with Manchester City, arguably the best team in the world, how is Bamford or Meslier supposed to dig out that 30% extra just because someone hasn't written an article about them in a shitty Yorkshire newspaper or tweeted about them? 'Taking the focus off players' as a managerial tactic is a bit of a mystery to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 56 minutes ago, Mic09 said: I was never sure how that's supposed to work. They are professional athletes, and when faced with Manchester City, arguably the best team in the world, how is Bamford or Meslier supposed to dig out that 30% extra just because someone hasn't written an article about them in a shitty Yorkshire newspaper or tweeted about them? 'Taking the focus off players' as a managerial tactic is a bit of a mystery to me. I get it post game, all the top managers do it doing it pre game and in general though? It's a bit weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mic09 said: I was never sure how that's supposed to work. They are professional athletes, and when faced with Manchester City, arguably the best team in the world, how is Bamford or Meslier supposed to dig out that 30% extra just because someone hasn't written an article about them in a shitty Yorkshire newspaper or tweeted about them? 'Taking the focus off players' as a managerial tactic is a bit of a mystery to me. Just makes them look like a bunch of clowns. The Allardyce press conference was embarrassing. Edited May 10, 2023 by The_Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 Bamford missing a penalty, my day only gets better if we beat spurs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 They're gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 The latest offside flag ive ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Pinebro said: They're gone They're not gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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