DCJonah Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) Veretout has barely played for us, and hasn't looked very good in the PL (yet) but we know he's better than Westwood because buzzwordsI think he has the potential to be better than Westwood, and bring a lot more to the team than Westwood. We'll have to wait and see but I'm fairly confident, based on reports from France, that once he's fully up to speed he'll will be much more of an asset that Westwood. but saying that I don't think they should be in competition. Westwood should be competing with Sanchez, when everyone is fit, for the central holding role. Veretout should be the one from the midfield three that looks to push forward. And you may mock people for thinking Veretout is better based on little, but is it any different of this attitude of you don't get football if you don't appreciate Westwood? It's no different, no. But that doesn't make it any less wrong. Just to be clear I also have high hopes for Veretout, I get the feeling that he will become a hybrid of Westwood and Milner for us, which I guess will render Westwood redundant. But for now he's shown very little for us and to suggest he should be in the team ahead of Westwood right now is ludicrous and smacks of bias.Don't think it's ludicrous at all. We all know what we're getting with Westwood. Veretout has the potential to offer more, I don't see why it's crazy to see if that potential will pay off. Edited September 26, 2015 by DCJonah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Veretout could well end up not being very good but the key difference is that it isn't assured. I've seen enough of Westwood over the last three years to know that he is a pretty substandard player and he isn't going to improve. Therefore it's quite an easy choice from my perspective because there is benefit in giving Veretout game-time now even if he has a long way to go. I think what those who say he is better than Westwood (which is premmature I concur) are getting at is that even from the brief glimpses, he does look to have more facets to his game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Veretout will take Westwood's place in a midfield two, however it's between Westwood and Sanchez in a three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) Do people realise that historically Veretout has been more of an attacking midfielder. In the long term he's not going to take Westwood's place in front of the defence. Last season he was so far advanced in the Nantes team, that he was actually playing behind the striker. Edited September 26, 2015 by useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Do people realise that historically Veretout has been more of an attacking midfielder. In the long term he's not going to take Westwood's place in front of the defence. Last season he was so far advanced in the Nantes team, that he was actually playing behind the striker. That doesn't mean that Sherwood sees him playing there though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) From what I read Veretout was naturally more of box-to-box midfielder but began to play an advanced role last season. That he is versatile in that respect is great but I don't think we've signed him to do play that high up, rather to be more Cleverley's replacement and the more advanced of the three. If we play a two, then it's between him, Westwood and Sanchez for the second spot as Gueye's place is rock solid. If we play a three (as said above) then it's between Westwood and Sanchez at defensive-midfield and that should really be a total no-brainer. Edited September 26, 2015 by Isa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Do people realise that historically Veretout has been more of an attacking midfielder. In the long term he's not going to take Westwood's place in front of the defence. Last season he was so far advanced in the Nantes team, that he was actually playing behind the striker. That doesn't mean that Sherwood sees him playing there though.I don't think he'll be playing behind the strikers here, I can't him being used as a defensive midfielder in the long run either. I think he'll be used more as a box-to-box player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poitier Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) Veretout could well end up not being very good but the key difference is that it isn't assured. I've seen enough of Westwood over the last three years to know that he is a pretty substandard player and he isn't going to improve. Therefore it's quite an easy choice from my perspective because there is benefit in giving Veretout game-time now even if he has a long way to go. I think what those who say he is better than Westwood (which is premmature I concur) are getting at is that even from the brief glimpses, he does look to have more facets to his game.Westwood has improved year on year. Veretout, as a highly rated £7m signing from France, may well develop into a better player, but if he had been a £1m signing from Crewe, based on performances for us, he would already have been written off by many. Edited September 26, 2015 by poitier 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Veretout was awful when he came on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Westwood was shite today, offered nothing IMO and his delivery again poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 My cat could take better corners 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Everyone remembers the corner but I'm guessing no one remembers the free he landed on Richards head that he should of done better with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 wasnt that veretout who took that free kick?anyway another game today where i'm watching and thinking what does he actually do?he's weak, he cant tackle or win headers, he slow so can't keep up with opposition players running at him, he can't take players on when attacking, he doesn't score goals and he doesn't get many assists despite taking most set-pieces (which are usually shit). do any other teams have players who are so limited yet appear to be first name on the teamsheet every week? Our midfield has been piss-poor for years, and hes the one constant in it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Veretout could well end up not being very good but the key difference is that it isn't assured. I've seen enough of Westwood over the last three years to know that he is a pretty substandard player and he isn't going to improve. Therefore it's quite an easy choice from my perspective because there is benefit in giving Veretout game-time now even if he has a long way to go. I think what those who say he is better than Westwood (which is premmature I concur) are getting at is that even from the brief glimpses, he does look to have more facets to his game.Westwood has improved year on year. Veretout, as a highly rated £7m signing from France, may well develop into a better player, but if he had been a £1m signing from Crewe, based on performances for us, he would already have been written off by many.You think? I think he has gone backwards. Was much better in his first season. He actually had a better delivery. Set up 6 goals scored a couple. Since then hes looked bang average. Another awful display today. He will play again next week though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) I actually get disappointed when we win corners now, they're absolutely pointless. He needs dropping. Edited September 26, 2015 by Farlz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponky Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Westwood needs time on the ball. When he his under pressure he often gets hustled into making hasty back passes or simply gets pushed off it.He is a good average player, but his is a position we need to improve on for us to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandaq Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 He should not be starting, simple. Squad player at this level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Isa Posted September 26, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2015 Not a defensive-midfielder, not a box-to-box midfielder, nowhere near good enough (as many try to make out) to be an outright controller/deep-lying playmaker hybrid...just a bit of a nothing player as I said last week. Never going to progress while players of his ilk continue to be mainstays in the side. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Bring back Mark Kinsella or Bakke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 He's a very average player. Should not be on set piece duty and shouldn't be in the team full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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