bobzy Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Exact;y what I've been saying. Westwood isn't amazing, but i do think he's a good player. But our problem, irrelevant of what you think of Westwood, is that he and Cleverley are doign the same job. And when the other midfielder is Sanchez we're left with nobody attacking. We desperately need a more attacking midfielder to play alongside these guys, because I fully admit if Westwood is being relied upon to be the creative force in the side, he's not good enough at that for us to be anything other than crap. I'd actually quite like to see Westwood as an AM-type I think he's technically our best player and also "busy" enough to make an impact in that position. I guess his main problem would be that he doesn't strike me as a player who would ever take a defender on, so maybe it would be easy to cover? I don't know. He'd do more than N'Zogbia, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Solid all round performance last night, hopefully we set up to have a go vs Burnley and he can play a more advanced role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa_shere Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Between Cleverly and Westwood (and our intire midfield) I never see players looking and showing for the ball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) I think they were too busy covering for the mistakes of Sanchez. Westwood, Delph and Cleverley will be a better midfield. Edited November 25, 2014 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 We'll get relegated with a midfield of Delph, Cleverley and Westwood. I'm struggling to see anything positive that any of our midfield did last night.Now i can excuse Sanchez, firstly because i think he is coming up to the pace of the game, and secondly because i think he is a good defensive midfielder, so his game is to win the ball and pass it on.Now , for me, neither Cleverley or Westwood done one good positive thing last night. Westwoods attempt to play Weimann through late in the 2nd half, for me highlighted both Villas and Westwoods deficiencies, not able to complete the pass because of poor quality.Going forward we are incredibly poor.Westwood wasn't the worst last night, in fact he was probably the best of the midfield, but if hes our best, then that is our problem. An ok player in a poor team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 We didn't get relegated with Delph, Westwood, KEA/Sylla and i think Cleverley is a stepup from those last two. But I agree its a pretty poor midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnie Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 We'll get relegated with a midfield of Delph, Cleverley and Westwood. I'm struggling to see anything positive that any of our midfield did last night.Now i can excuse Sanchez, firstly because i think he is coming up to the pace of the game, and secondly because i think he is a good defensive midfielder, so his game is to win the ball and pass it on.Now , for me, neither Cleverley or Westwood done one good positive thing last night. Westwoods attempt to play Weimann through late in the 2nd half, for me highlighted both Villas and Westwoods deficiencies, not able to complete the pass because of poor quality.Going forward we are incredibly poor.Westwood wasn't the worst last night, in fact he was probably the best of the midfield, but if hes our best, then that is our problem. An ok player in a poor team. Mmm if Sanchez wasn't Columbian with a cool ass afro would you still be so excusing of Sanchez?? He is woeful fella come on. Every game I have seen of him he gives the ball away every time. A major liability and in the situation we are in right now we can't afford to wait for him to settle like we could for a Petrov or Angel. Now poor old Westwood with his boring English name who is consistently our best midfielder with the most assists, you can't excuse. Just dont get where you are coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted November 25, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted November 25, 2014 Columbia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Well you could argue that since he has played we have not lost 2 out of 3 games, which for us is good. My post said that i don't think he is up to speed, he plays too far up the pitch, and he gets caught out of position.However, he is strong, competitive, aggressive and quick.He is good in the tackle, competes in the air, and defends the edge of the box better than any other midfielder we have.As the Makelele role he is ideal. Now, for me, leave Sanchez deep, and let Cleverley. and Westwood to do what they are supposed to be good at, being positive, but to be fair, they both look incapable of providing anything from midfield.No goals, no assists, therein lies the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnie Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) Well you could argue that since he has played we have not lost 2 out of 3 games, which for us is good. My post said that i don't think he is up to speed, he plays too far up the pitch, and he gets caught out of position.However, he is strong, competitive, aggressive and quick.He is good in the tackle, competes in the air, and defends the edge of the box better than any other midfielder we have.As the Makelele role he is ideal. Now, for me, leave Sanchez deep, and let Cleverley. and Westwood to do what they are supposed to be good at, being positive, but to be fair, they both look incapable of providing anything from midfield.No goals, no assists, therein lies the problem. You could also argue he cost us the Tottenham game, cost us the QPR game, the Arsenal game was THE worst home debuts I have ever seen, he nearly cost us the Hull game when he stupidly gave away a needless free kick which lead to their goal Sylla was strong and competitive but he was hardly any good. Westwood can tackle as well but at least can pass a ball and has the potential to create an assist whilst causing the minimal liability. Edited November 25, 2014 by donnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 You could argue Gabby cost us 5 points against Spuds and Soton as well by not marking his men. We'll agree to disagree about Westwood, but i think Sanchezs physical presence will be very important this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik986 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 For me Westwood is a nice tidy player, but doesn't impose himself on games anywhere near enough. A decent championship player at best. Delph, Cleverley and even Sanchez are better IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 26, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2014 Sanchez might get there, but to say he's better right now, given his performances so far, is completely laughable to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I really like Westwood, a really good buy. He is like Wilkins, Barnes in his later years, Carrick.....the criticisms of him, like of so many of our players, are in my view largely brought about because the whole team is subject to excessive pressure game after game due to the way we play. In such a system, and playing without the ball and in your own half for so much, the chance of poor play is dramatically increased. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Had an excellent game today and played some great passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Yes there was one in particular to Hutton was top class. I think the midfield trio has a nice balance to it. We may not miss Delph as much as we feared. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Never looked like doing what he was on the pitch for, scoring or creating.Him or Cleverley are just too average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Never looked like doing what he was on the pitch for, scoring or creating.Him or Cleverley are just too average. You literally have no clue what you are talking about. He played some excellent pinpoint passes yesterday, did you watch the game? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Hes not on the pitch to score or create either. Ridiculous angle to criticize him from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted November 30, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted November 30, 2014 Hes not on the pitch to score or create either. Ridiculous angle to criticize him from. and don't corners count as creating? he hit a few really good ones didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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