Mark Albrighton Posted December 20, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2015 1 minute ago, sexbelowsound said: That would be absolutely glorious. Not going to happen though. Liverpool to Spurs is much of a muchness. Liverpool to Villa is something to cry yourself to sleep over. I hear what you're saying. Loan deal until the end of the season it is then 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 All hail king Klopp, finally turning Liverpool into the unbeatable force they should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 It just goes to show that so much of football is down to the quality of the playing squad rather than the guy standing on the touch line. Though Leicester seem to be the freak case at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 and how "fashionable" players and managers make an absolute killing often without having having the CV to back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) 5 hours ago, Genie said: and how "fashionable" players and managers make an absolute killing often without having having the CV to back it up. Won two league titles and got a CL final with Dortmund. Yes, purely fashionable.. Edited December 21, 2015 by rodders0223 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 klopp has a style of football that will work once he has the players to play it, it will take time, he seems to have sorted the counter attacking away from home style very quickly but they're struggling to beat men behind the ball teams at home, thats understandable IMO, he's not a quick manager, he's someone who will actually build something there given a chance he needs time, the media wont give it to him, think the fans might but results like man city (where they were brilliant) wont actually help him, he won that city game and they're straight back on to the our year bullshit mignolet, bogdan, skrtel etc they arent his players, he needs a new keeper, a new CB and a striker who will play his high pressing way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) 38 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Won two league titles and got a CL final with Dortmund. Yes, purely fashionable.. Have you forgotton about the relegation and failure to return in the other of his only 2 jobs? Its a bit like AVB, a small amount of success and getting paid stupid money at one of the biggest clubs in the world. Too much too soon for me, but I guess this is modern football. Edited December 21, 2015 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted December 21, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 21, 2015 I can see why they aren't playing Benteke. But I think us (Villa fans) kinda knew he weren't really the right fit for Liverpool, and how they play. Now Klopp has arrived with his pressing style of football, I think it will be even harder for Benteke to get game time as pressing really isn't his game. Quite sad really to watch him on the bench. Could be doing so much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 24 minutes ago, villa4europe said: klopp has a style of football that will work once he has the players to play it, it will take time, he seems to have sorted the counter attacking away from home style very quickly but they're struggling to beat men behind the ball teams at home, thats understandable IMO, he's not a quick manager, he's someone who will actually build something there given a chance he needs time, the media wont give it to him, think the fans might but results like man city (where they were brilliant) wont actually help him, he won that city game and they're straight back on to the our year bullshit mignolet, bogdan, skrtel etc they arent his players, he needs a new keeper, a new CB and a striker who will play his high pressing way opposite for me that he has a style of football that is one dimensional and easily found out. He has players that could play his way but dont seem to be getting it right. He idd it vs City why cant do it in other games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Genie said: Have you forgotton about the relegation and failure to return in the other of his only 2 jobs? any idea of his netspend + wages for this team over a decent time period? Managers themselves are "over-valued/over-rated" imo by general public. theres only so much a manager can do and does any manager really outperform netspend+wages on a semi-consistent basis? so if that team had relegation netspend+wages then him getting relegated with them isnt really that bad. ( i dont know though if they had) 9 minutes ago, PieFacE said: I can see why they aren't playing Benteke. But I think us (Villa fans) kinda knew he weren't really the right fit for Liverpool, and how they play. Now Klopp has arrived with his pressing style of football, I think it will be even harder for Benteke to get game time as pressing really isn't his game. Quite sad really to watch him on the bench. Could be doing so much more. i was telling most on here that benteke isnt good enough for top 4 and liverpool is perfect move for his carear. If he cant do it for liverpool then im afraid there isnt really a team which is the right fit for him which would be better than liverpool where opposition will seat even further back. 7 minutes ago, Zatman said: opposite for me that he has a style of football that is one dimensional and easily found out. He has players that could play his way but dont seem to be getting it right. He idd it vs City why cant do it in other games the guy has to teach his playstyle mid season with international breaks / mid week games with a team which isnt his at all. Edited December 21, 2015 by gharperr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted December 21, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) 1 minute ago, gharperr said: i was telling most on here that benteke isnt good enough for top 4 and liverpool is perfect move for his carear. If he cant do it for liverpool then im afraid there isnt really a team which is the right fit for him which would be better than liverpool where opposition will seat even further back vs that team. Why couldn't Benteke get into the Man United team? Or the Chelsea team? I'm sure he'd offer Chelsea more than Costa is right now, and has been all season. Edited December 21, 2015 by PieFacE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 City were crap that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) 38 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Why couldn't Benteke get into the Man United team? Or the Chelsea team? I'm sure he'd offer Chelsea more than Costa is right now, and has done all season. a 4 month time period with the whole team playing aids due to (probable) external factors (aka mourinho) isnt really a good enough reason to write off costa and to choose a sub-par elite striker over him. Especially when that team can just go splash 50m on the next elite striker which would offer more than benteke so why bother with him? Its becoming close to a necessity for top teams to press now and if benteke cant do it for liverpool then he will struggle with higher teams. Ive read people on here moaning at plop for not playing to benteke strengths and their wide players cutting in too much and not crossing the ball for him. Spamming crosses with high possession turnovers and leaving yourself to be countered for a low quality scoring chance isnt really something (most) top teams do all that much anymore. It essentially makes the whole gegenpressing/counterpressing pointless Hard to judge united with LVG as manager who kills all creative freedom for attackers. Could be good for LVG hoofball but then again, most fans want him out for such a style. Benteke either has to be a striker on the bench for top teams where he will instantly get moved back onto the bench when the star striker becomes fit or do a lukaku. Edited December 21, 2015 by gharperr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Apart fom 2 hot spells for Villa the majortiy of the time he was poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 8 minutes ago, Genie said: Apart fom 2 hot spells for Villa the majortiy of the time he was poor. you're not allowed to say that he was garbage for lambert last year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 well he never got any service or support under Lambert last season and had to be taken off his shackles under Tim to get going again 49 goals in 100 games is brilliant record, doing it while playing for a shit team makes it more impressive since he was played a few of them games injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcTheObsession Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 44 minutes ago, Genie said: Apart fom 2 hot spells for Villa the majortiy of the time he was poor. Yeah a 1:2 goals to games ratio in a team who constantly battled relegation and provided little service really isn't up to scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) 17 minutes ago, AvfcTheObsession said: Yeah a 1:2 goals to games ratio in a team who constantly battled relegation and provided little service really isn't up to scratch. Read it again and maybe it will drop... He had 2 short red hot spells and scored a tonne of goals. Outside of that he was poor, I'm sure you could read hundreds of pages on the main forum to confirm that. EDIT: Bit of a blonde moment, it'll be this forum won't it Edited December 21, 2015 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcTheObsession Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 8 minutes ago, Genie said: Read it again and maybe it will drop... He had 2 short red hot spells and scored a tonne of goals. Outside of that he was poor, I'm sure you could read hundreds of pages on the main forum to confirm that. EDIT: Bit of a blonde moment, it'll be this forum won't it I don't need to read a forum to 'confirm' a view on a player I watched with my own eyes pretty much every week for 3 seasons. He only had one season where his record dropped properly below 1 in 2 for us, and he missed almost a third of that season with injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 you're looking at it statistically though and if thats the case what was his goalscoring record like from august till january last season? just the one goal vs palace in about 20 games wasnt it? and more than that if you were watching it every week it wasnt just the lack of service, his movement was shite, he looked disillusioned with life at villa (not hard to guess why...) he wasnt bullying many defences then, he was the same when he first signed has he had a season in his 4 yet where he's started really well? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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