foreveryoung Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 As mentioned earlier in the thread. He is not a great defensive player, but his leadership i.e shouting at the players telling them where to go/be is second to none. This is why I dont think a loan would have worked. Lambert has not signed a leader/Captain since he has been here, a big failing for me. Vlaar is the only one whos takes the responsability. This is more of the reason we are useless without him!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) He's not world class or even close to it but I do think people underrate him a bit, even now. Edited February 9, 2014 by Mantis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Problem we have is that he's hardly fit. Sadly we need to find a solid defensive pair (Okore and a.n. other maybe) and utilise him when fit. Finding a partner for a player who misses so many games a season is poor management and planning. "Oh we're better with him in the defence." yes but we need more games than he gives us. And don't start me on Baker and Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 We miss his leadership. will to win,organisational skills, and his Composure. I also think the other players in the team look tentative and nervous when he is out,like Guzan no disrespect to them and not blaming them for yesterday directly, but playing Baker and Clarke together in the middle will eventually take us down....they are simply not dominant enough in that position. Centre Halves are the catalyst around which the team plays grant they don't get much protection at our place, but Like Mellberg & Laursen....Mcgrath & Southgate ...Evans & McNaught you need that platform to stifle the opposition and create breakaways. Baker & Clarke for me are just bit stoppers, sometimes have half/decent games when they are being chaparoned by Vlaar, but together.....NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I felt Sure an experienced Centre half would have come in In Jan....I thought a loan player was essential, instead of perhaps Holt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers13 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 The problem yesterday really wasn't central defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 The problem yesterday really wasn't central defense. Doesn't matter. Vlaar's influence reaches a lot further than that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 The problem yesterday really wasn't central defense. It was when we conceded 2 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers13 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 The problem yesterday really wasn't central defense. It was when we conceded 2 goals. And they were both due to central defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Look at the table I posted a couple of pages back. Vlaar indirectly affects almost every aspect of our game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Which Lambert was probably aware of given the analysis that is done at most clubs nowadays but still failed to get in cover for this player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Which Lambert was probably aware of given the analysis that is done at most clubs nowadays but still failed to get in cover for this player. Getting cover for Vlaar is harder than some people make out. We don't just need adequate cover for Vlaar, we need someone with similar leadership abilities too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Complete and utter waste of time. Its ok having these good players - (Laursen rings a bell too) but if they are never consistently fit (which Vlaar isn't) then its pointless. Soon as he is back, its only a matter of time until he gets injured again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roonst83 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Complete and utter waste of time. Its ok having these good players - (Laursen rings a bell too) but if they are never consistently fit (which Vlaar isn't) then its pointless. Soon as he is back, its only a matter of time until he gets injured again. Exactly how I feel. It's so frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powell91 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 it is extremely frustrating to have such an influential player always injured my heart sinks everytime i look at the team sheet and dont see him on it i just immedietly know we are doomed to fail and have a shit game. I think he will be plagued by injury all season as we will permenantly try to rush him back due to him being so vital . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 The problem yesterday really wasn't central defense. I disagree, Tangibly, yes, but intangibly no the problem stems from indecision and lack of dominance. I don't like Collins, I think he is low grade, but he is dominant and he was yesterday, it breeds a bit of belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Look at the table I posted a couple of pages back. Vlaar indirectly affects almost every aspect of our game. but we say he is always injured....I ain't ****ing surprised we have a right back that is only attribute is crossing and always out of position,we have another centre half that needs chaperoning, we have left backs a plenty that we can't get right, but until recently can't defend and we have a midfield full of lightweights, none above 6 feet tall that can add any protection/presence.. The bloke is run ragged and you wonder why he gets injured easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Look at the table I posted a couple of pages back. Vlaar indirectly affects almost every aspect of our game. but we say he is always injured....I ain't ****ing surprised we have a right back that is only attribute is crossing and always out of position,we have another centre half that needs chaperoning, we have left backs a plenty that we can't get right, but until recently can't defend and we have a midfield full of lightweights, none above 6 feet tall that can add any protection/presence.. The bloke is run ragged and you wonder why he gets injured easily. Think he was injury prone at Feyenoord too. A waste of time. Edited February 10, 2014 by Woodytom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 The problem yesterday really wasn't central defense. It was when we conceded 2 goals. And they were both due to central defense? well, when Nolan flicked that one in Clarke was on his arse watching him....They both can't READ a damn thing they are simply reactionary boys, they just throw their bodies in the way.....if thats defending then yes they are good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers13 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Look at the table I posted a couple of pages back. Vlaar indirectly affects almost every aspect of our game. I know that, but Con stated the central defense was the issue on the goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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