KHV Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 he had a good period at Milan though so he isnt being picked mainly cause of his family connections he is also a better footballer than De Jong People in Holland are questioning his selection, I think he is way past his best and I wouldnt pick him, I think he has been awful so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Holland are lucky that they can still qualify for the quarter-finals even after 2 defeats. Mario Gomez is the German Darren Bent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwpzxjor1 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Didn't I read somewhere that van Bommel is the head coach's Son-in-Law or something like that? That would explain his continuous selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 There's a reason he only started 11 times in the league last season, he's just not that good a player. Nowhere near good enough for City. Or maybe because Yaya Toure is world class. Doesn't mean he's a crappy player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 he had a good period at Milan though so he isnt being picked mainly cause of his family connections he is also a better footballer than De Jong This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajax-fan Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I am so pissed off at Van Marwijk. He is such a weak coach! Very stubborn. Pure luck two years ago with WC 2010 final. Other teams were just horrible. Why Van der Wiel and no Van Rhijn? Van Rhijn was starting RB at Ajax while Van der Wiel was injured. And he did a better job!! Van Rhijn isn't even in the Dutch squad.. Where are Maduro (Valencia) and a very talented player like Viergever (AZ) left out? So much better than Vlaar and sorry.. Bouma. (Bouma is over the hill.) Why is a young guy playing as left back? Where is Buttner (Vitesse) of Emanuelson who plays at AC Milan? Emanuelson has 6 year experience as left back at Ajax and Milan.... Why De Jong and Van Bommel, a defensive wall in the Dutch team!? What a disgrace!! Where are Anita (Ajax) and revelation of last season Maher (AZ)?? Why is Stijn Schaars in the squad? He's useless! Forget about Strootman, he is another shitty defensive midfielder. I can't stand them anymore! Why Huntelaar as striker (as sub) but keeping Narsingh on the bench. And other wingers as Elia and John not even in the squad? Robben never gives any assists. Why Van Persie as striker? He is so much better in a 'free role' around Huntelaar. Why is Luuk de Jong on the bench always? He is brought as target man into the squad! And now we getting Dirk Kuyt every time!? Since when is Kuyt a target man when we are behind and things need to be 'forced'... Why is Van Bommel a starting player as 'old experienced player' but no Seedorf!? We could have had a midfield with Anita-Maher-Sneijder-Van der Vaart (Seedorf-Emanuelson-Afellay as subs). That midfield is truly epic. But no no Van Marwijk is our boss. So we get De Jong-Van Bomm... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 There's a reason he only started 11 times in the league last season, he's just not that good a player. Nowhere near good enough for City. Or maybe because Yaya Toure is world class. Doesn't mean he's a crappy player. was mainly Barry that kept him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 It's sad to think that exactly 4 years ago yesterday we were tearing France apart in Bern, 4 days after taking apart World Champions, Italy. It feels like we have lost our brilliance under Van Marwijk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Holland 2 defeats - Can still qualify Ireland 2 defeats - Going home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I am so pissed off at Van Marwijk. He is such a weak coach! Very stubborn. Pure luck two years ago with WC 2010 final. Other teams were just horrible. Why Van der Wiel and no Van Rhijn? Van Rhijn was starting RB at Ajax while Van der Wiel was injured. And he did a better job!! Van Rhijn isn't even in the Dutch squad.. Where are Maduro (Valencia) and a very talented player like Viergever (AZ) left out? So much better than Vlaar and sorry.. Bouma. (Bouma is over the hill.) Why is a young guy playing as left back? Where is Buttner (Vitesse) of Emanuelson who plays at AC Milan? Emanuelson has 6 year experience as left back at Ajax and Milan.... Why De Jong and Van Bommel, a defensive wall in the Dutch team!? What a disgrace!! Where are Anita (Ajax) and revelation of last season Maher (AZ)?? Why is Stijn Schaars in the squad? He's useless! Forget about Strootman, he is another shitty defensive midfielder. I can't stand them anymore! Why Huntelaar as striker (as sub) but keeping Narsingh on the bench. And other wingers as Elia and John not even in the squad? Robben never gives any assists. Why Van Persie as striker? He is so much better in a 'free role' around Huntelaar. Why is Luuk de Jong on the bench always? He is brought as target man into the squad! And now we getting Dirk Kuyt every time!? Since when is Kuyt a target man when we are behind and things need to be 'forced'... Why is Van Bommel a starting player as 'old experienced player' but no Seedorf!? We could have had a midfield with Anita-Maher-Sneijder-Van der Vaart (Seedorf-Emanuelson-Afellay as subs). That midfield is truly epic. But no no Van Marwijk is our boss. So we get De Jong-Van Bomm... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Lucky to get to the world cup final n 2010? They knocked out Brazil, give the guy some credit. Holland were the 3rd best team at the world cup behind Germany and Spain. They also knocked out a good Uruguay team. Been poor this year though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajax-fan Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Lucky to get to the world cup final n 2010? They knocked out Brazil, give the guy some credit. Holland were the 3rd best team at the world cup behind Germany and Spain. They also knocked out a good Uruguay team. Been poor this year though. Without knowing it, you said it all. 3rd team after Germany. A bigger disgrace isn't possible! There are two important codes in Dutch football. Ajax is better than Feyenoord. The Netherlands are better than Germany. Once we have a new coach, a new era will start. Van Marwijk will get sacked anyway, no one likes him anymore with his Chelsea shuffles (we got even bigger borefests than France and PSV ugh..) His days are over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 There's a reason he only started 11 times in the league last season, he's just not that good a player. Nowhere near good enough for City. Or maybe because Yaya Toure is world class. Doesn't mean he's a crappy player. was mainly Barry that kept him out Barry is a different type of player compared to Toure and DeJong imo, in terms of style of play DeJong is more similar to Toure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I am so pissed off at Van Marwijk. He is such a weak coach! Very stubborn. Pure luck two years ago with WC 2010 final. Other teams were just horrible. Why Van der Wiel and no Van Rhijn? Van Rhijn was starting RB at Ajax while Van der Wiel was injured. And he did a better job!! Van Rhijn isn't even in the Dutch squad.. Where are Maduro (Valencia) and a very talented player like Viergever (AZ) left out? So much better than Vlaar and sorry.. Bouma. (Bouma is over the hill.) Why is a young guy playing as left back? Where is Buttner (Vitesse) of Emanuelson who plays at AC Milan? Emanuelson has 6 year experience as left back at Ajax and Milan.... Why De Jong and Van Bommel, a defensive wall in the Dutch team!? What a disgrace!! Where are Anita (Ajax) and revelation of last season Maher (AZ)?? Why is Stijn Schaars in the squad? He's useless! Forget about Strootman, he is another shitty defensive midfielder. I can't stand them anymore! Why Huntelaar as striker (as sub) but keeping Narsingh on the bench. And other wingers as Elia and John not even in the squad? Robben never gives any assists. Why Van Persie as striker? He is so much better in a 'free role' around Huntelaar. Why is Luuk de Jong on the bench always? He is brought as target man into the squad! And now we getting Dirk Kuyt every time!? Since when is Kuyt a target man when we are behind and things need to be 'forced'... Why is Van Bommel a starting player as 'old experienced player' but no Seedorf!? We could have had a midfield with Anita-Maher-Sneijder-Van der Vaart (Seedorf-Emanuelson-Afellay as subs). That midfield is truly epic. But no no Van Marwijk is our boss. So we get De Jong-Van Bomm... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 There's a reason he only started 11 times in the league last season, he's just not that good a player. Nowhere near good enough for City. Or maybe because Yaya Toure is world class. Doesn't mean he's a crappy player. was mainly Barry that kept him out Barry is a different type of player compared to Toure and DeJong imo, in terms of style of play DeJong is more similar to Toure. in style yes but in the city system Barry sat in front of defence while TOure was given licence to roam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Fair enough. However, it's worth noting that he was a regular the season before last so maybe he is good enough for a Top 4 side, just not a championship-winning one. Regardless, I don't think he's average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Can someone explain what Holland need to qualify, whats the story with head to head if theyre all on 3 points and all beat each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanishVillan Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Can someone explain what Holland need to qualify, whats the story with head to head if theyre all on 3 points and all beat each other? Still a little tricky, but I think they need Germany to win vs Denmark and to win vs Portugal with 2 goals advantage. The results against Germany will not count if the other 3 teams all end on equal points and goal difference need to be used. So far in that minileague Portugals goal difference is +1, Denmarks is 0 and Netherlands -1. Denmarks most likely way through is a draw vs Germany and a Dutch win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 a 2-0 win and a German win will sent Holland through and it would be a travesty as they have been dreadful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Looks like Germany are in the semis already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 people said same in 2004 about Greece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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