Nor-Cal Villan Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 4 minutes ago, bobzy said: Left out of politics, yes, but what I mean is the link between those on the right being… maybe “more likely” to have a faith? Maybe not though. Speaking for my country, I don’t believe that is true. I do believe that those on the right definitely are more overtly public about it, are far more likely to implement said faith into policy, and far more likely to push religious tenets in what is an allegedly secular society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 2 Moderator Share Posted August 2 10 hours ago, Davkaus said: I wonder if a significant part of that is that in modern Britain, the young are less and less religious, and more likely to be lefties, and so the correlations are between age and politics, and age and religion, rather than a direct link between politics and religion. Hmmm I'm not so sure. Speaking for my atheist old self, the separation of church and state is something I want and that goes to the fundamentals of what I see as my version of democracy. It underpins the whole political system in the UK and from my POV it quite obviously shouldn't. Religion is even massively allowed to indoctrinate the young in schools, religion aided schools are a fundamental wrong in my book. We need to start at the very bottom and remove enforced religion from every aspect of governance. Until that point religion / politics will be tied together and I do think there's a corelation in this country between left / right and religious and not, regardless of the age aspect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Designer1 Posted August 2 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 2 7 minutes ago, bickster said: Religion is even massively allowed to indoctrinate the young in schools, religion aided schools are a fundamental wrong in my book. This is one of my biggest bugbears and something I'd love to see removed asap. I think education about all religions is important as it can give young people a better worldview. However, teaching religion as absolute fact is a huge no no for me and something we should be moving on from. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted August 2 Administrator Share Posted August 2 5 minutes ago, bickster said: Until that point religion / politics will be tied together and I do think there's a corelation in this country between left / right and religious and not, regardless of the age aspect. Religions often align with conservative politics. They don't like change as their magic books can't change. They don't like the cognitive dissonance that a creator of the entire universe chose such a stupid mechanism to communicate their narcissism. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Panto_Villan Posted August 2 Popular Post Share Posted August 2 Just now, Designer1 said: This is one of my biggest bugbears and something I'd love to see removed asap. I think education about all religions is important as it can give young people a better worldview. However, teaching religion as absolute fact is a huge no no for me and something we should be moving on from. It's even subtle things like singing hymns and doing a quick prayer at the start of assembly etc. I went to an ostensibly Christian primary school for a few years and while there weren't specific lessons about Jesus or anyone proletysing, the small things do all still feed into Christianity being the "normal" thing. It's not a huge thing imo, but ideally they'd just stop all of that and make education purely secular. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted August 2 Author VT Supporter Share Posted August 2 1 hour ago, Panto_Villan said: It's even subtle things like singing hymns and doing a quick prayer at the start of assembly etc. I went to an ostensibly Christian primary school for a few years and while there weren't specific lessons about Jesus or anyone proletysing, the small things do all still feed into Christianity being the "normal" thing. It's not a huge thing imo, but ideally they'd just stop all of that and make education purely secular. 100% this. I have a particular bee in my bonnet about religious preschool nurseries. Yes, they exist. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 11 hours ago, Davkaus said: I wonder if a significant part of that is that in modern Britain, the young are less and less religious, and more likely to be lefties, and so the correlations are between age and politics, and age and religion, rather than a direct link between politics and religion. its strange isn't it .. the young are easily radicalised by a lefty teacher , yet somehow the church can't do the same job on them ... sandal wearing teachers are more powerful than sandal wearing sons of carpenters .... perhaps we need to start a new religion , the disciples of the NEU could build a church to them , if they can be bothered to get out of their tent on campus protesting on the Palestine cause that they don't' understand but got brainwashed into 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted August 2 Administrator Share Posted August 2 28 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: its strange isn't it .. the young are easily radicalised by a lefty teacher , yet somehow the church can't do the same job on them ... sandal wearing teachers are more powerful than sandal wearing sons of carpenters .... perhaps we need to start a new religion , the disciples of the NEU could build a church to them , if they can be bothered to get out of their tent on campus protesting on the Palestine cause that they don't' understand but got brainwashed into Who was a son of a carpenter? The whole story really didn't catch for you did it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 5 minutes ago, limpid said: Who was a son of a carpenter? The whole story really didn't catch for you did it? was he the son of a tool maker I think I watched Jesus of Nazareth as a kid with my mum as she had a crush on Robert Powell at the time , but that's about the extent of my religious teaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted August 2 Administrator Share Posted August 2 10 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: was he the son of a tool maker I think I watched Jesus of Nazareth as a kid with my mum as she had a crush on Robert Powell at the time , but that's about the extent of my religious teaching He was the son of God. That's kind of the entire point of the religion. Perhaps you were sick that day God was a fairly minor deity in the pantheon and Judaism became monotheistic because of (a story about) his falling out with his missus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted August 2 Author VT Supporter Share Posted August 2 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: the young are easily radicalised by a lefty teacher Are they? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 11 minutes ago, limpid said: He was the son of God. That's kind of the entire point of the religion. Perhaps you were sick that day God was a fairly minor deity in the pantheon and Judaism became monotheistic because of (a story about) his falling out with his missus. God was his biological father , but they lived in enlightened times Joseph was the legal father of Jesus , the gospels themselves often refer to Jesus as a carpenters son and the son of Joseph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 1 minute ago, mjmooney said: Are they? Nah, they're born kind, compassionate and caring, then the cruel cynical world wears some of them down until they're 7 or 8 and think all the toys are theirs and the other kids should pull themselves up by their bootstraps, like tony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 1 minute ago, mjmooney said: Are they? you only need to see the youngster on VT to know they are but the usual caveat applies that one shouldn't read my posts literally , they are always written with a tongue firmly planted in cheek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 4 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Nah, they're born kind, compassionate and caring, then the cruel cynical world wears some of them down until they're 7 or 8 and think all the toys are theirs and the other kids should pull themselves up by their bootstraps, like tony For Christmas , my parents used to give an empty box and tell me it was an action man deserter , of course I'm gonna steal someone else's toys 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Did any of you have anything to do with the mocking of the last supper in Paris ? Shameful really that organisers thought it’s ok . Luckily I think they might be safe this time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted August 2 VT Supporter Share Posted August 2 30 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Did any of you have anything to do with the mocking of the last supper in Paris ? Shameful really that organisers thought it’s ok . Luckily I think they might be safe this time. I think most of us were busy mocking the people getting their nickers in a knot because they didn’t know the difference between the Bacchanalia and The Last Supper. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted August 2 Administrator Share Posted August 2 39 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Did any of you have anything to do with the mocking of the last supper in Paris ? Shameful really that organisers thought it’s ok . Luckily I think they might be safe this time. What's wrong with mocking religion? Although as @choffer points out you are claiming offence on behalf of the wrong religion, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer1 Posted August 2 VT Supporter Share Posted August 2 45 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Did any of you have anything to do with the mocking of the last supper in Paris ? Shameful really that organisers thought it’s ok . Luckily I think they might be safe this time. Surely all the offended Christians should just forgive them? That's part of their 'thing' isn't it? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 2 Moderator Share Posted August 2 2 hours ago, tonyh29 said: the disciples of the NEU Is this a bunch of splitters from the Church of Kraftwerk? Is every disciple of the wider movement a Plank? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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