tonyh29 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 hey no need to apologise , it was a light hearted observation not a serious concern I don't think the Tories have ever suggested they want an independent Scotland ..and the myth that they would romp every GE without them has already been debunked .... so there is nothing to really suggest it's a deliberate ploy I suspect that having the Tory party do nothing \ very little was thought to be the best idea .. alas I'm not sure that Darling was exactly a smart move either .. In the similar way that according to Newspapers we'd wake up to find Nick Clegg PM back in May 2010 , I suspect the actual result will be nowhere near as close as people think ... and whatever the voting intention today , when they step in that booth nobody will really fancy the idea of King Alex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Yep, I think it'll be the wimmin of Scotland that will get into the voting booth, get the little pencil in their hand and suddenly think, stick to what you know. As much as the romance of a great new adventure is appealing, people have mundane plans and responsibilities that need to be funded. That's my prediction, and that's from somebody that would probably vote yes* on the hard facts I've seen so far. * I don't have a vote and haven't given it that deep late night single malt thorcus you give to big decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Yep, I think it'll be the wimmin of Scotland that will get into the voting booth, get the little pencil in their hand and suddenly think, stick to what you know. ...Support for Yes has increased rather more amongst women and less well off voters and barely at all amongst older ones. The swing amongst women (once Don’t Knows are excluded is 11 points while amongst men it is only five... http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/09/tns-now-say-it-is-a-dead-heat/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 yes I know that about the demographics, but I think my totally unscientific point still stands, once in that little booth... interestingly (well, maybe not), of the 4 people I know from here that have travelled up to help out with the YES campaign, one is male, three are female Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 10, 2014 Moderator Share Posted September 10, 2014 While we may face much uncertainty if they vote yes there is some good news, a yes vote will result in a 15% reduction in the UK rainfall. Who needs global warming, we just need rid of the Scots. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 10, 2014 Moderator Share Posted September 10, 2014 How many months into independence do you think it'll take for a baying mob to string Salmond up from a lamppost? I'm going with 14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted September 10, 2014 Author Share Posted September 10, 2014 What will become of the leisure industry in Scotland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Donald Trump will own it all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 My message to the Scottish people is simple: we want you to stay. As the United Kingdom, we have punched above our weight for centuries - and we've done so together. When the world wanted representation, we gave them democracy. When they wanted progress, we had the Scottish enlightenment and the industrial revolution. When slavery bound innocent people, we abolished it; when fascism threatened freedom, we defeated it. As individuals and as nations, we have done extraordinary things. This is the special alchemy of the UK - you mix together Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland and together we smash expectations. The UK is a special and precious country. So let no one in Scotland be in any doubt: we desperately want you to stay; we do not want this family of nations to be ripped apart. Across England, Northern Ireland and Wales, our fear over what we stand to lose is matched only by our passion for what can be achieved if we stay together. So please, if you don't have a vote in this referendum, join me in signing a letter to everyone who does, letting them know that we passionately want them to stay. If we pull together, we can keep on building a better future for our children. We can make sure our destiny matches our history, because there really will be no second chances. If the UK breaks apart, it breaks apart forever. So if you have a vote, please choose a brighter future for Scotland by voting No. And if you don't have a vote, please sign this letter to the voters of Scotland, expressing our heartfelt desire to keep our proud family of nations together. Thanks, David Cameron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 O.M.G. I'll save it for someone with a penchant for longer posts to rip that shite apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 10, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2014 Virtually everything the NO team have done and said has been calculated to drive more people over to the YES camp. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted September 10, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2014 I think I would actually be devastated if Scotland vote yes. Maybe it's because I've worked with our loyal armed forces for many years now (Welsh, Scottish, English and N.Irish alike), maybe because I think the Scottish enrich our culture or maybe it's because I don't want the UK to be split up. We will lose our identity and the proud history that goes with it. (I'm the sort of bloke who watches the Edinburgh Tattoo thinking I'm bloody proud that we're apart of it). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Until 3/4 of the way down that post I thought Dem had been visited by divine inspiration! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) O.M.G. I'll save it for someone with a penchant for longer posts to rip that shite apart. A few pages ago I mentioned that the no campaign had struggled because the UK was talked down so much by its own. Your post is a pretty spot on illustration of what I meant. edit: yes..no...maybe! Edited September 10, 2014 by Awol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Daily Record poll gives No a 6 point lead. I suspect that will be pretty close to the final outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted September 10, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2014 i thought this was the Jockland Independence thread ... I appear to have wandered into the bash a tory thread instead .... I'm just waiting for the inevitable " it's all Thatchers fault" post ....... well, funny you should say that... there was some chap on radio 4 yesterday evening with that very theory, well back a little further actually his theory went: Heath was minded to compromise with the Miners back in the early 70's but lost the election (by a critically low number whereby Scotland had a direct influence on the outcome). Heath losing meant Wilson and then Callaghan got in, the mid 1970's happened and as a backlash Thatcher got voted in. Thatcher then set about her terrible revenge on the workers, gleefully destroying communities across Scotland. As a result, the Scots woke up to the need for devolution to save themselves from the worst excesses of tory spite and self interest. From there, they realised that just possibly, they were better off with Scottish idiots running Scotland from Scotland, rather than English and Scottish idiots running Scotland from London.OTOH, a plausible case can be made that the SNP put Thatcher into powerWhat Mr Crawford and his press officer choose to forget, or hope that no one will recall, is that it was the 11-strong SNP group in the Commons in 1979 that first tabled the no confidence motion inJim Callaghan's Labour government which led to its defeat in that memorable debate three weeks after the devolution referendum.Margaret Thatcher couldn't be sure of beating Callaghan until she saw that the Nats were on her side and once they had shown their hand, she then tabled her own no confidence motion, which, as leader of the main opposition party, took precedence over that of the SNP. She won by only one vote, with all the Nat MPs voting with her – "turkeys voting for an early Christmas", said not-so Sunny Jim.In accusing the Unionist parties of peddling fictions about what an independent Scotland might look like it is a barefaced cheek that the SNP should maintain the biggest fiction of all – that they had nothing to do with the rise and rise of Margaret Thatcher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 10, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2014 In that case, I REALLY want Salmond strung up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Until 3/4 of the way down that post I thought Dem had been visited by divine inspiration! Haha I actually laughed at that Awol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post peterms Posted September 10, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2014 What will become of the leisure industry in Scotland? There will be many more people at leisure. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted September 10, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2014 But the decline in industry will presumably balance that out.(badum-tsh)((sorry donnie)) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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