tonyh29 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 they're all idiots. tory, labour, lib dem - there isn't a good idea between them. I don't know ...Labours idea of privatising the NHS was quite a good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) if you're a heartless arsehole that would like to see working class people go into crippling debt for being sick, perhaps. Edited November 22, 2014 by CarewsEyebrowDesigner 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 if you're a heartless arsehole that would like to see working class people go into crippling debt for being sick, perhaps. you called Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) Appreciate you are on a wind up Tony .... :-) Edited November 22, 2014 by drat01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 22, 2014 Moderator Share Posted November 22, 2014 Tony's right Liebour did start NHS privatisation, they also wasted a billion quid on a computer project that was never going to work.Tbh they're almost irreversibly fooked nowThis latest sacking is hilariously bad, a six year old child could have told Moribund his reaction was all wrong. Shows how under pressure he is, shows how he cares too much about media reaction as opposed to doing the right thing, shows how shallow the entire party has become.It was a rabbit in the headlights moment and this rabbit dived under the wheel 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 I see the funny name to win a argument is the way forward As for privatisation to claim incorrectly that labour started it is just a weak argument. The Tory party holds long term inbuilt desire to privatise health care, the facts to support this are there for all to see. The nhs is far too important to allow it to be killed off by these self serving knob heads in the Tory party supported by ukip . Idiocy like posting pictures of burnham are just weak deflection attempts away from the issue . But it's a typical Tory tactic and comes as no surprise 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 62 Tory mp's have direct links to private health organisations . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Nothing has made me feel as foreign as this photo 'scandal'. Try as I might, I can't even work out what I'm even supposed to be angry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 The West Ham flag does it for me. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted November 22, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2014 the NHS is doomed because the electorate is apathetic. it's a **** shame because universal healthcare is one of the greatest things a country could achieve. we've taken it for granted,however. we expect too much from it. in the end, our own sense of entitlement will cost us. so, **** you if you are one of those people that expect miracles and would favour privatisation for the sake of 'efficiency'. **** you. **** you. **** you. you are a shit human. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) The West Ham flag does it for me. I absolutely hate that club, so no complaints from me there. But seriously, can someone explain to me - as if I'm a dimwit, because I obviously am one - what the actual problem is? Edited November 23, 2014 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) As for privatisation to claim incorrectly that labour started it is just a weak argument.....,,. Idiocy like posting pictures of burnham are just weak deflection attempts away from the issue . In 2006/07, NHS outpatient data indicated that there were 10 sites offering privatised treatment on the NHS, reporting 15,000 first outpatient attendances; by 2010 this had grown to almost half a million outpatient attendances funded by the NHS across 161 private sector providers Edited November 23, 2014 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The West Ham flag does it for me. I absolutely hate that club, so no complaints from me there. But seriously, can someone explain to me - as if I'm a dimwit, because I obviously am one - what the actual problem is? It's condescending, nothing more imo. It's a photo that says "here is a picture of a typical Rochester voter's house. Look - they have a white van and several St George cross flags in the Windows. They'll be voting kipper like loads of others. Kippers will win here." She wasn't wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 But clearly, it didn't say any of that. What it actually said was 'house in Rochester'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 What it said was the tory party is in disarray and as a media outlet that supports it we must deflect any attention to that quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 But clearly, it didn't say any of that. What it actually said was 'house in Rochester'. life can contain nuance as well as nuts if you are going to be a Labour representative you are supposed to be the party of the everyday working folk if you come from Islington and live in a multi million pound house, there might be a suggestion you aren't 'for the workers' but 'for my champagne labour elite friends' if you you are a Labour Islington elite and tweet a picture of what could be perceived as an average chav's house - then you're going to get criticised if that happens when the tory party and their media need a distraction - any distraction - give us something please!!!! if that happens at the same time as the world and his dog is proclaiming your posh elitist Labour leader is disconnected from the people and can't manage - you are toast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 23, 2014 Moderator Share Posted November 23, 2014 I see the funny name to win a argument is the way forward At least you've conceded that I won the argument 62 Tory mp's have direct links to private health organisations .37 Labour Lords and 14 Labour MPs have direct links to private healthcare organisations. I hope you'll agree that both parties are :-a) as bad as each other riddled with the politics of self interest c) corrupt as hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 23, 2014 Moderator Share Posted November 23, 2014 But clearly, it didn't say any of that. What it actually said was 'house in Rochester'. life can contain nuance as well as nuts if you are going to be a Labour representative you are supposed to be the party of the everyday working folkif you come from Islington and live in a multi million pound house, there might be a suggestion you aren't 'for the workers' but 'for my champagne labour elite friends'if you you are a Labour Islington elite and tweet a picture of what could be perceived as an average chav's house - then you're going to get criticisedif that happens when the tory party and their media need a distraction - any distraction - give us something please!!!!if that happens at the same time as the world and his dog is proclaiming your posh elitist Labour leader is disconnected from the people and can't manage - you are toastThing is the Lady in question was raised on a council estate a fact which would have easily countered the Tory press bullshit. Now he's still got the Tory Press talking about it days later plus the left wing press calling him out over it too. He's an idiot. It comes to something when I agree with Austin Mitchell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 What it said was the tory party is in disarray and as a media outlet that supports it we must deflect any attention to that quickly Nice attempt to deflect there (Hint check thread title ) As bicks already pointed out she was sacked before the media even got whiff of the non story ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Bicks it's a rare occasion I'll have to agree to disagree, they were there trying to harvest the C2 vote when Lady Nugee, to give her the proper title, sent that tweet. She has a property portfolio of multiple London homes in the millions, 3, 4 or 5 million pound depending on your newspaper of choice. Personally, I'd have knocked her down a peg or two too. The slightest tweek to that tweet would have saved it, personally I'd have turned it into a thumbs up selfie and made it a lot more difficult to get one single clear meaning from it. But yes, it is a very very small story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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