Big_John_10 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 If MON's consecutive 6th place finishes are to be lauded, where does that put a man with a much lower wage bill, and a hugely less transfer budget, who consistently outperformed him? I think moyes is a fantastic manager and I rate him highly. That doesn't effect how highly I rate MON though. I saw someone mention the money he spent and how he should have done better. Never really got that argument, were other teams not spending? We didn't spend enough to turn round and say we definitely should have finished above any of man u, Chelsea, arsenal, liverpool, city or spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parisvilla Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 In terms of spending and sixth place finishes I think Martin did a far greater job than 'king' kenny is currently doing. £35m for the gypsy king, £20m for downing, £18m for henderson, adam £8m etc. All have been pretty terrible. Martin's big money signings were all successes. You also have to bear in mind how dire our squad was when he took over and how he needed to undertake a complete overhaul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Here's the thing for me, people say MON was crap in the transfer market, his tactics were not all that but then ask why is three 6th places anygood then? Well for me you cant have it both ways. Either his transfer dealings and tactics were crap in which case 3 6th places, a cup final, semi final and consistently improving our points and goals scored is pretty good under those circumstances or His signings and tactics weren't that bad afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoD Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 In terms of spending and sixth place finishes I think Martin did a far greater job than 'king' kenny is currently doing. £35m for the gypsy king, £20m for downing, £18m for henderson, adam £8m etc. All have been pretty terrible. Martin's big money signings were all successes. You also have to bear in mind how dire our squad was when he took over and how he needed to undertake a complete overhaul. Curtis Davies was a bad big money signing and NRC was pretty expensive and didn't work out. Other than Beye and Heskey i think his signings made sense in some way so no real complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwpzxjor1 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 We may dislike him, through bitterness or whatever, but 4 wins out of his first 6 games is not to be laughed at, especially with such a poor squad. It may have only been Wigan, but scoring 4 goals away from home, in a team apparently lacking real goal threat.. "He can never get teams beyond 6th'. I think right now, Sunderland would snap your hand off for 6th place. As would we.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwpzxjor1 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I think MON's main problem with some of the big signings was his reluctance to use them. I don't think it's his signings as such.. I think it's that he gets too focused on his best team.. I don't think any of his signings were particularly bad, although expensive for just cover.. However, having players on 50k a week and having them on the bench or in the reserves whilst burning out your first team and throwing away points as a result is a massive massive error IMO. I'm sure he's probably learnt from that, and will rotate more at Sunderland. Hopefully not though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 In terms of spending and sixth place finishes I think Martin did a far greater job than 'king' kenny is currently doing. £35m for the gypsy king, £20m for downing, £18m for henderson, adam £8m etc. All have been pretty terrible. Martin's big money signings were all successes. You also have to bear in mind how dire our squad was when he took over and how he needed to undertake a complete overhaul. Curtis Davies was a bad big money signing and NRC was pretty expensive and didn't work out. Other than Beye and Heskey i think his signings made sense in some way so no real complaints. The signing that made no sense to me was Luke Young. We were desperate for a right back and he was available for £2m. We watched as he went to Middlesbrough for a year, while we still muddled about without a right back, and then paid £4m or £5m for him (£5m was quoted on here the other day). As mentioned elsewhere Scott Carson was a bit crazy as well, a £2m loan with an option to buy for a further £10m. A pity we didn't have such a deal on old Curtis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 IMO MON would struggle to get in a top 10 PL managers. Great motivator but poor manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 The signing that made no sense to me was Luke Young. We were desperate for a right back and he was available for £2m. We watched as he went to Middlesbrough for a year, while we still muddled about without a right back, and then paid £4m or £5m for him (£5m was quoted on here the other day). If I recall this right, we had Mellberg who put in a very effective shift at Right Back that season. Not sure Young was needed but was maybe the best choice available when Mellberg moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 yes but we could have played Mellberg in centre his position and signed Young and kept 10 million on Davies. easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 The signing that made no sense to me was Luke Young. We were desperate for a right back and he was available for £2m. We watched as he went to Middlesbrough for a year, while we still muddled about without a right back, and then paid £4m or £5m for him (£5m was quoted on here the other day). If I recall this right, we had Mellberg who put in a very effective shift at Right Back that season. Not sure Young was needed but was maybe the best choice available when Mellberg moved on. Effective, maybe, but certainly out of position. Personally I thought that Mellberg was a crap right back, but a reasonable central defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 The signing that made no sense to me was Luke Young. We were desperate for a right back and he was available for £2m. We watched as he went to Middlesbrough for a year, while we still muddled about without a right back, and then paid £4m or £5m for him (£5m was quoted on here the other day). If I recall this right, we had Mellberg who put in a very effective shift at Right Back that season. Not sure Young was needed but was maybe the best choice available when Mellberg moved on. Correct. Mellberg slotted in at right back a position he had played in numerous times previously, and since, for Sweden. Craig Gardner gave decent cover on a couple of occasions during that season. Laursen and Zat Knight were the centre back pairing for most of the season with I believe Laursen having his one and only ever present season for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 FFS he's only gone and won manager of the month to be fair other than spurs all of the top 6 had a relatively poor xmas period, so on paper it'll spark a wankfest (for a change) when in reality most teams form has dipped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 FFS he's only gone and won manager of the month Hardly a surprise. A good job that he didn't start in March :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 In terms of spending and sixth place finishes I think Martin did a far greater job than 'king' kenny is currently doing. £35m for the gypsy king, £20m for downing, £18m for henderson, adam £8m etc. All have been pretty terrible. Martin's big money signings were all successes. You also have to bear in mind how dire our squad was when he took over and how he needed to undertake a complete overhaul. Curtis Davies was a bad big money signing and NRC was pretty expensive and didn't work out. Other than Beye and Heskey i think his signings made sense in some way so no real complaints. The signing that made no sense to me was Luke Young. We were desperate for a right back and he was available for £2m. We watched as he went to Middlesbrough for a year, while we still muddled about without a right back, and then paid £4m or £5m for him (£5m was quoted on here the other day). As mentioned elsewhere Scott Carson was a bit crazy as well, a £2m loan with an option to buy for a further £10m. A pity we didn't have such a deal on old Curtis! i remember something at the time that we went in for young whilst he was at charlton and were quoted £6million, he went to boro the week later for half that. MON was a great manager, the best ive seen at villa in 16 years of attending villa park, but Sidwell - £6million Shorey - £4.5 million Davies £10 million Beye £3million NRC - £8million Heskey £3.5 Warnock £7.5million Harewood £4million Knight £4million best part of £40million + wages on that shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 For the zillionth time, Zat Knight was worth every penny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 For the zillionth time, Zat Knight was worth every penny.Also, we bought him for £3.5m (not £4m as claimed) and sold him on for £4m so it was pretty good business all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Zat Knight was incredibly error prone. Most of our defenders looks colossal next to the almighty Laursen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Reo-Coker gave good service to the club IMO - it was his contract situation that we messed up that meant he left for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 FFS he's only gone and won manager of the month He is now 3rd in the all time Premier League list behind Ferguson and Wenger. Not bad going considering he spent a few years up in Scotland and also a couple of seasons not managing. He is not surprisingly, given the shit served up since, the last Aston Villa manager to win the award for April 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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