Chindie Posted October 16, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2012 I can't say I believe thats corrupt, but that's by the by. Anywho, James Savile, renowned kiddy fiddler... Aaah, you knew him well...a little too well, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 Yes, and I have the cigar burns on my lower back to prove it dagnabbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 An interesting read; as is the Irvine Welsh link contained within. I've read that Irvine Welsh novel (didn't like it) and the story ends with the necrophile on his deathbed with one of his cohorts leering at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaGoMarching Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 An interesting read; as is the Irvine Welsh link contained within. Savile de Rais: Jimmy Savile, Serial Killing and High Weirdness Well, it is possible that the universe does not favor alleged institutional child abuse after all. “Foul deeds will rise, Though all the earth o’erwhelm them, to men’s eyes,” as Shakespeare put it, and the manner in which these (alleged) foul deeds have risen back up is fascinating. In short, hardly an article has been penned on Savile these last weeks that has not been adorned with the aforementioned photographic evidence of his visit to Haut de la Garenne: the image is like some stubborn morsel of something the mainstream media was long since instructed to digest. For doesn’t Savile’s very presence at Haut de la Garenne give immense credence to the allegations that there has been a cover-up there, not to mention the wide whispers that extremely prominent members of British and Jersey society regularly “visited” the place? Then there is the longstanding allegation that Savile procured boys from Jersey orphanages for former British Prime Minister Edward Heath to rape and molest on the latter’s yacht. A month ago that would have looked like an extremely wild conspiracy theory. But now… Savile was a Knight of the Crown, a Knight of the Vatican, a (probable) necrophiliac, a pedophile, the buddy of serial killers and future kings, a children’s TV presenter, a pop mogul and many more things besides… has there ever been a stranger Englishman? It would appear that when Savile died his considerable protection died with him, and the establishment are happy for him to now suffer public and relentless vilification. But his activities, place and prominence in British society is so strange, so sinister, that it is a like a chink in the armor of the very establishment that’s allowing his corpse to fend for itself, and through this chink some pretty astonishing things can be glimpsed. Astonishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 17, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2012 One of the women who came forward has had some doubt cast on the extent there was a cover up with regards the Newsnight investigation that was shelved (and possibly to a lesser extent her claims in their entirety) as one of her pieces of evidence for the police effectively not bothering to investigate any claims, was an obvious fake, a letter claiming they would be unable to pursue any investigation thanks to Savile's ill health and 'senility'. She had refused to let Newsnight see it, who were keen to do so as it contradicted the account put forward by police, that there wasn't enough evidence to proceed. It seems the Newsnight team believed the letter could form the basis for the investigation to get aired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 My local really needs to change its menu.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaGoMarching Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 All very odd how Peter Rippon independantly over night went cold about running the Saville Newsnight story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Now some Savile Charities are closing down. The fall out from this is all very sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 23, 2012 Moderator Share Posted October 23, 2012 Hopefully they can just re-brand White Star stylee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Apparently they had considered that but decided against as everyone would know the origins They are closing down and distributing what money they have to other charities I'll try and find the news links for you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20001588 Jimmy Savile's charities are to close after their trustees decided that keeping them open could be "damaging" to the causes they support. The trustees of the Jimmy Savile Charitable Trust and Jimmy Savile Stoke Mandeville Hospital Trust said they had considered a change of name in the wake of the sex abuse allegations against their late founder. However, after meeting on Monday, it was decided that they "could not see a future for either charity" because the organisations would "always be linked in the public's mind with the late Jimmy Savile". They spoke of their concern that adverse press coverage could be "damaging" for causes the two trusts support - and said protecting these causes was their primary concern. 'Consider public mood' During a life in the public eye, Savile became almost as well known for raising an estimated £40m for charity as he was for being the face of Top of the Pops and Jim'll Fix It. Before setting up the general charitable trust in 1984, Savile established the Jimmy Savile Stoke Mandeville Hospital Trust in 1981. This followed a request from the Buckinghamshire hospital, where he volunteered for many years, to help raise funds for rebuilding work. Jo Summers, solicitor for the charity's trustees, had said before the trustees decided to close the charities that if they wished to continue they would have to consider the public mood. Continue reading the main story How does a charity change its name or close? Firstly, the trustees hold a meeting to discuss the reasons for the name change and possible alternativesOnce a decision is made, the charity contacts the Charity Commission for permissionThe commission gives a "yes or no answer"Its answer is based on the charity satisfying the commission that it fulfils the requirements of its new name - for example, a charity that wants to include the word "international" must work internationallyIf a charity is wound up it must inform the commission. If there are outstanding funds in the charity's name, they must be donated to a charity that does similar work Source: The Charity Commission She said the general mood was that "the names are going to have to go". However, as it has transpired, even that course of action was not considered enough because the link with their late founder was simply too strong. Meanwhile, at Stoke Mandeville, a name change is already planned for the hospital's popular "Jimmy's" cafe. The Jimmy Savile Charitable Trust is primarily based in the Leeds area, although not all of its trustees - listed as Luke Lucas, Dr Roger Bodley and Lady Gabrielle Greenbury on the Charity Commission's website - still live there. Its overview on the Charity Commission website states that the trust's objectives are to "provide funds for the relief of poverty and sickness and other charitable purposes beneficial to the community", as well as "provision of recreational and other facilities for disabled persons". More than half the funds given out by the trust over the years had come from donors other than Savile, Ms Summers said. "The trustees are eternally grateful to all those people for their support in the past, so we don't want it to be seen as just Jimmy's money," she said. Following Savile's death last October aged 84, an auction of his collection of mementos and personal belongings - including his Rolls-Royce which went for £130,000 and the original red Jim'll Fix It chair for £8,500 - raised about £320,000 for his charities. There will be further funds when the final part of Savile's estate "falls into" the trust, said Ms Summers, including some of his properties still to be sold. It is likely now that these funds will be distributed to other charities, along with the funds remaining in the two trusts. However, the trustees have said they will not be publicly announcing which causes they money will go to. The general charitable trust's latest accounts, filed with the Charity Commission in March of this year, show it has funds totalling £3.7m in 2011/12. It had an income of £132,546 and spent £43,866 in the same year. The Stoke Mandeville charity has funds of £1.7m, according to the Charity Commission files. Stringent policies Among the causes supported by the trust has been a scholarship scheme for Leeds University undergraduate medical students, funding - among other things - a bursary for the students to conduct research during the holidays. After receiving support for the scholarships from Savile's charitable trust since 2006, totalling £225,000 to date, the university is now unlikely to accept any more money. Continue reading the main story “Start Quote We have probably received more requests for funding in the last two weeks than we have in the previous two years” End Quote Jo Summers Solicitor for Jimmy Savile Charitable Trust Although a decision has not yet been taken, the university says it has stringent policies on donations and reconsiders such gifts when new facts emerge that were unknown at the time of the original donation. Alec Shelbrooke, Conservative MP for the Leeds constituency of Elmet and Rothwell, had said before the trustees' decision that the general trust "should be moved into other trusts so that the money can go to good causes". And Ralph Michell, director of policy at the Association of Chief Executives of Voluntary Organisations, had said that the Savile scandal was an "extremely rare" situation, adding: "I would have thought it would be pretty difficult for a charity to carry on using Jimmy Savile's name - but it absolutely doesn't mean that its work needs to come to an end." Ahead of the trustees' decision, Ms Summers said that the Jimmy Savile Charitable Trust may give some funds to organisations supporting victims of sex abuse. "Since saying that's something we would consider, we have been inundated with requests from a wide variety of charities," said Ms Summers. "In fact, we have probably received more requests for funding in the last two weeks than we have in the previous two years." She added that the charity's trustees had been left "personally shocked" by the sex abuse scandal, stressing they had absolutely no idea of the alleged crimes now coming to light. "They knew Jimmy for many years, volunteered to be his charity trustees. They can't recognise the person they are reading about in the papers," she said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islingtonclaret Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I really don't expect any less from Piers "Moron" Morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Richard Ruzyllo @spygun I knew that reports of Jimmy Savile being attracted to "anything with a pulse" were an exaggeration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Oh dear Piers. What with this and hacking at the Mirror? Best stay stateside Mr Morgan. How many years for perjury is it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 24, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted October 24, 2012 It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Piers had deliberately said he'd never met him knowing that people would pick up on this previous comment about meeting him and it would cause controversy. He's a professional troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 24, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted October 24, 2012 It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Piers had deliberately said he'd never met him knowing that people would pick up on this previous comment about meeting him and it would cause controversy. He's a professional troll. Indeed. And - contrary to what we are led to believe - the BBC are LOVING all this. It means that they can talk about themselves at great length. The 10.00 News last night, discussing Panorama's investigation into Newsnight's investigations into Jim'll Fix It: a BBC program talking about a BBC programme talking about a BBC programme talking about a BBC programme. Luvvie orgasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Extraordinary question from Tom Watson at PMQs, alleging paedophile ring linked to no 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 24, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted October 24, 2012 Extraordinary question from Tom Watson at PMQs, alleging paedophile ring linked to no 10. During what era? Heath, I assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Guardian says Tom Watson (see 12.30pm) may have been referring to the late Sir Peter Morrison, Margaret Thatcher's former parliamentary private secetary. Here's an extract from a story in the Sunday Times about Morrision (paywall). Edwina Currie, the former Conservative minister, has claimed that a leading Tory MP during Margaret Thatcher’s era had sex with underage boys — and senior party members had covered up for him. Currie, 66, said this weekend she had heard that Sir Peter Morrison, Thatcher’s parliamentary private secretary and deputy chairman of the party, had sex with 16-year-old boys when the age of consent was 21. “Was he doing anything illegal? Almost certainly. Would it be illegal today? Hard to tell now the age of consent is down to 16,” she said. Morrison had been in charge of Thatcher’s disastrous leadership campaign team in 1990 when she lost power. He died aged 51 in 1995. Currie said Morrison had been protected by a “culture of sniggering, of giggling and of nudge-nudge, wink-wink” as well as by the difficulties of getting cases to court at that time. But there are also rumours on twitter about Heath, Morning Cloud, and Haut de la Garenne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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