Davkaus Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) Well, the debates over 16/17/18 year olds can probably end as well, because it's reported that he had category A pictures of kids as young as 7 to 9 years old. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/huw-edwards-indecent-images-children-court-bbc-b2588701.html Quote The indecent images that were sent included seven category A, the worst, 12 category B, and 22 category C. Of the category A images, two were of a child estimated to be between ages seven and nine. The remainder were of children between the ages of 13 and 15. The final indecent image was sent in August 2021, a category A film featuring a young boy. Edited July 31 by Davkaus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 31 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31 18 minutes ago, brommy said: What do you term as X rated? Just a joke. OK probably poor taste. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 31 Moderator Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Huw edwards pleads guilty - so that ends all discussion whether he has done wrong or not This was never a discussion in relation to this series of charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 As an aside, I do want to make the point that someone pleading guilty doesn't necessarily mean they are guilty due to our legal system's perverse approach to punishing people who maintain their innocence and rewarding people who plead guilty (see Andrew Malkinson), but I'm not sure I want to get into the weeds of that debate all day, especially in regards to noncing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted July 31 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31 34 minutes ago, Davkaus said: As an aside, I do want to make the point that someone pleading guilty doesn't necessarily mean they are guilty due to our legal system's perverse approach to punishing people who maintain their innocence and rewarding people who plead guilty (see Andrew Malkinson), but I'm not sure I want to get into the weeds of that debate all day, especially in regards to noncing Seems like a guy sent Edwards child porn. Edwards tells him not to but doesn't report or delete the images. He's gotta plead guilty as a result. That's how it seems to be anyway at this time, but no doubt the details will come out during sentencing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 31 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: As an aside, I do want to make the point that someone pleading guilty doesn't necessarily mean they are guilty due to our legal system's perverse approach to punishing people who maintain their innocence and rewarding people who plead guilty (see Andrew Malkinson), but I'm not sure I want to get into the weeds of that debate all day, especially in regards to noncing Even a confession doesn't mean you're guilty (but again this is completely unrelated to this case, just being pedantic. I have no idea of the evidence in this one) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 29 minutes ago, tomav84 said: Seems like a guy sent Edwards child porn. Edwards tells him not to but doesn't report or delete the images. He's gotta plead guilty as a result. If I were in his shoes, that’s what I would say also. “I didn’t want them but I got sent them, and didn’t get round to deleting them even though I find them disgusting” is really all he has in terms of a defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 The thought of what the most serious category of child images could be is honestly sickening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted July 31 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31 The guy sending them seems like a whole other category of wrong un. Hopefully hes tracked down 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, Genie said: If I were in his shoes, that’s what I would say also. “I didn’t want them but I got sent them, and didn’t get round to deleting them even though I find them disgusting” is really all he has in terms of a defence. The facts that have been reported is he was sent some images, responded with 'don't send me anything underage', then was sent some more and told him to not send anything illegal and then there are no further offending images received. He did however go on to continue to speak with and exchange porn with the same guy for another 8 months. In a theoretical scenario I can see why if I was sent an individual image like that unsolicited, while my first instinct would be to report it, I could see myself thinking '...But I've got the evidence on my phone, I'm in possession of it, shit if I report it is this going to ruin my life?'. What I wouldn't do is continue to exchange pictures with the person who'd sent me it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted July 31 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: The facts that have been reported is he was sent some images, responded with 'don't send me anything underage', then was sent some more and told him to not send anything illegal and then there are no further offending images received. He did however go on to continue to speak with and exchange porn with the same guy for another 8 months. In a theoretical scenario I can see why if I was sent an individual image like that unsolicited, while my first instinct would be to report it, I could see myself thinking '...But I've got the evidence on my phone, I'm in possession of it, shit if I report it is this going to ruin my life?'. What I wouldn't do is continue to exchange pictures with the person who'd sent me it. Yep. He could potentially have escaped punishment I'd he blocked the guy immediately 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, Davkaus said: The facts that have been reported is he was sent some images, responded with 'don't send me anything underage', then was sent some more and told him to not send anything illegal and then there are no further offending images received. He did however go on to continue to speak with and exchange porn with the same guy for another 8 months. In a theoretical scenario I can see why if I was sent an individual image like that unsolicited, while my first instinct would be to report it, I could see myself thinking '...But I've got the evidence on my phone, I'm in possession of it, shit if I report it is this going to ruin my life?'. What I wouldn't do is continue to exchange pictures with the person who'd sent me it. Good points, I’ve not seen the details so he might have some sort of defence then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 14 minutes ago, tomav84 said: The guy sending them seems like a whole other category of wrong un. Hopefully hes tracked down Ie the person sending also been charged as it sounds like he should be getting a more severe punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 22 minutes ago, Genie said: If I were in his shoes, that’s what I would say also. “I didn’t want them but I got sent them, and didn’t get round to deleting them even though I find them disgusting” is really all he has in terms of a defence. That’s no defence though . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 If anyone sent me child porn I’d report them straight away then block them . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: If anyone sent me child porn I’d report them straight away then block them . And then kick them to death 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 13 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: If anyone sent me child porn I’d report them straight away then block them . Agree entirely, but you've also got to question why somebody would send you kiddie porn to begin with. It's not the kind of thing a friend or loved one might randomly send you as a joke. I think you've got to be known to have those interests if somebody is sending that, just because of the law in this country. You wouldn't risk it if the person you're sending it to might go to the police if you even slightly suspected they'd be upset by it. As always with these kind of things, I'd imagine what the police and what we know about is just the tip of the iceberg. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 34 minutes ago, Davkaus said: The facts that have been reported is he was sent some images, responded with 'don't send me anything underage', then was sent some more and told him to not send anything illegal and then there are no further offending images received. He did however go on to continue to speak with and exchange porn with the same guy for another 8 months. In a theoretical scenario I can see why if I was sent an individual image like that unsolicited, while my first instinct would be to report it, I could see myself thinking '...But I've got the evidence on my phone, I'm in possession of it, shit if I report it is this going to ruin my life?'. What I wouldn't do is continue to exchange pictures with the person who'd sent me it. if it was someone you knew and say they posted something racist ..would you first instinct be to report them to the police , delete them from your friends list or in the first instance just tell them not to do it again ? I know its not the same as child porn , but we'd have to assume for now that these were two likeminded(ish) consenting adults sharing images and one of them overstepped the mark , so Edwards maybe with a slight error of judgment just said , none of that shit thank you and thought that was enough ? I wonder if he actually knows how to delete images from WhatsApp messages , I'm fairly sure a lot of people don't or might not appreciate that they are stored on your phone , hence why the images are still there , rather than any desire to look at them repeatedly ? presumably plod have arrested the man that sent the images , he just isn't high profile enough to warrant being named on TV I'm not Edwards lawyer or making excuses for him , I just wonder how guilty he actually is ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 22 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: if it was someone you knew and say they posted something racist ..would you first instinct be to report them to the police , delete them from your friends list or in the first instance just tell them not to do it again ? I know its not the same as child porn , but we'd have to assume for now that these were two likeminded(ish) consenting adults sharing images and one of them overstepped the mark , so Edwards maybe with a slight error of judgment just said , none of that shit thank you and thought that was enough ? The thing is, it wasn't slightly over the mark, or a slight error of judgement, some of the most graphic images were of 7-9 year olds. I'd be more sympathetic to this view if it was less graphic 'jailbait' type images that'd just make me think an awful lot less of them, but frankly it's the type of shit the tabloids were posting a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 18 minutes ago, Davkaus said: The thing is, it wasn't slightly over the mark, or a slight error of judgement, some of the most graphic images were of 7-9 year olds. I'd be more sympathetic to this view if it was less graphic 'jailbait' type images that'd just make me think an awful lot less of them, but frankly it's the type of shit the tabloids were posting a few years ago. I understand that , but he didn't ask to be sent those images and also said No more , so I don't think he's a paedophile ( at face value) he might well have been sickened by the images and he definitely should have reported it but equally he's pretty high profile , I'd imagine his first instinct would have been shit I really can't go to the police I'll be ruined , despite the fact he should have done , this was what I meant by error of judgement .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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