mjmooney Posted December 19, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted December 19, 2013 Reading that PDF was a mistake. It makes me so disgusted with human beings as a species... that there are those among us that can be so completely devoid of decency. Sickening and depressing. Yes i know how you feel. There's lot of very sick people out there just like Watkins who are amongst us. Its scary! No there aren't. There are very, very, very few. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Reading that PDF was a mistake. It makes me so disgusted with human beings as a species... that there are those among us that can be so completely devoid of decency. Sickening and depressing. Yes i know how you feel. There's lot of very sick people out there just like Watkins who are amongst us. Its scary! No there aren't. There are very, very, very few. Actually neither of us really know that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted December 19, 2013 Moderator Share Posted December 19, 2013 Well the burden of proof is on the prosecution so it's up to you to prove there are, Paul. There aren't many like Watkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 what there is, is wall to wall 24 hr media coverage of anything scandalous, sexual, shocking or titilating make no mistake, this is not being reported because journalism as a profession wants to purge society of 'evil', it's being advertised because it sells, it creates interest, it is the bogey man that people are both scared of and thrilled by 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Ok BOF I do hope you are right. I wasn't just thinking about sick child abusers but what humans are capable of given the right situation and circumstances. Like in wartime. But I was wrong to say lot of people like Watkins... I should of said there's a lot of people capable of doing bad stuff! out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted December 19, 2013 Moderator Share Posted December 19, 2013 On that we'd agree :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baselayers Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 What the **** were they thinking. Ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 19, 2013 Moderator Share Posted December 19, 2013 He's just going to rot in jail like Brady has. He's paying for his crimes!For the record, Brady isn't in jail, he's served his sentence in a secure hospital (Ashworth in Maghull) and he's far from rotted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendelc Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I think all 3 of these words removed are dead men walking. Inside or when they are eventually released . Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) His celebrity as a musician, and the nature of the crimes should most likely see him dead long before his sentence is up. Edited December 20, 2013 by maqroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 He's just going to rot in jail like Brady has. He's paying for his crimes! For the record, Brady isn't in jail, he's served his sentence in a secure hospital (Ashworth in Maghull) and he's far from rotted Actually he spent the first 19 years in prisons before being moved to Ashworth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) Slightly OT, but whole life sentences were discussed earlier in the thread so I thought I'd post this story here. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25574176 Some murderers and serious offenders could receive US-style sentences totalling hundreds of years as part of a review of the UK's human rights laws. The government is considering the plan after a European court ruled in 2013 that whole-life sentences breached the European Convention on Human Rights. The 100-year terms would allow prisoners to have their sentences reviewed, satisfying the court. Prison reform campaigners branded the proposals "dangerous nonsense". 'Restore respectability' The proposed change in sentencing regulations comes as Conservative ministers prepare to publish reforms to the UK's human rights laws. They want Britain's Supreme Court to have the final say in cases relating to human rights, rather than the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) in Strasbourg. The ECHR ruled in July that whole-life sentences - allowed under English law - breached the European Convention on Human Rights because they did not include the possibility of a "right to review". The government was given six months to respond to the decision, which Prime Minister David Cameron has said he "profoundly disagreed" with. One option now being considered by the government is a plan to allow judges to impose jail terms of hundreds of years, which would potentially allow offenders to have their sentences reviewed and reduced. Policing minister Damian Green, who leads the committee responsible for drawing up reforms to limit the influence of the Strasbourg court on British life, told The Daily Telegraph: "British laws must be made in Britain. I want to restore the respectability of human rights." The Prison Reform Trust's Juliet Lyon said the government was trying to "dodge complying with the Human Rights Act". "It sounds like a dangerous nonsense," she said. "What it risks is further inflation in sentencing. People serving life sentences are serving three years longer than they did 10 years ago." Human rights barrister Geoffrey Robertson QC said that sentencing people to hundreds of years of imprisonment was a "cruel and unusual punishment", and was contrary to the English Bill of Rights of 1689. "There is a place for mercy," he added. There are currently 49 criminals in England and Wales serving whole-life prison terms. Mark Bridger, 47, who was sentenced to life in prison in May for the murder of five-year-old Welsh schoolgirl April Jones, has lodged an application to appeal against his sentence. His initial hearing at the Court of Appeal is scheduled for early 2014. 'Unduly lenient' Ian McLoughlin, 55, who admitted killing Good Samaritan Graham Buck, 66, in Hertfordshire, while on prison day-release, was given a 40-year sentence in October. Mr Justice Sweeney, who sentenced McLoughlin at the Old Bailey, said he was barred from passing a whole-life tariff because of the European judgment. Attorney General Dominic Grieve is due to appeal against his sentence, describing it as "unduly lenient". On the day of McLoughlin's sentencing, Justice Secretary Chris Grayling said whole-life tariffs should be available for "the most serious offenders". "That is the position clearly stated in our law, and what the public expects. The domestic law on this has not changed." Lawyers at the Ministry of Justice are now looking at whether the law needs to be changed to allow judges to hand down more severe sentences. Under the US system, very long prison sentences are often imposed by states as an alternative to the death penalty. In August last year, Ariel Castro, who abducted three women and held them captive for more than a decade, was sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, plus 1,000 years. He was found hanged in his cell in Ohio in September Edited January 2, 2014 by av1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I can't read that one line at a time. When did the BBC get so bad at editing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Vatican 'must immediately remove' child abusers - UN Ooh, hope they send in troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted February 5, 2014 Administrator Share Posted February 5, 2014 Vatican 'must immediately remove' child abusers - UN Ooh, hope they send in troops. But they were doing God's work and somehow believing in magic sky fairies makes it okay. I don't get why Catholics are so quiet about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Ken Barlow cleared of being a paedo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 There will always be insufficient evidence in these cases. More often than not you are relying on witness accounts which can be taken apart by a good team. The end result is a system that doesn't favour the victim (it should favour neither, but currently it favours the defence imo). I don't know how to fix that particular problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 To sort out the wider paedophile problem, just make school gates thinner. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Ken Barlow cleared of being a paedo. I am quite pleased he has been actually, but there will always be this slur on him which is the unfortunate thing about it being in the public domain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaGoMarching Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 stumbled across this after the recent newpaper suggestion that a pop legend is to be caught up in yewtree. im not familiar with him is he a conspiracy theorist or something in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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